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Anyone with an SE 2022 that upgraded from iOS 18 to iOS 26? Did it work OK or did you find any changes to dithering that make things worse (or better)?

I'm thinking I have to upgrade because if I want to replace the device via Apple due to some connectivity issues, I will need to be on the latest version of iOS.
 
Anyone with an SE 2022 that upgraded from iOS 18 to iOS 26? Did it work OK or did you find any changes to dithering that make things worse (or better)?

I'm thinking I have to upgrade because if I want to replace the device via Apple due to some connectivity issues, I will need to be on the latest version of iOS.

If Apple will replace your SE3 for free (but it will have iOS 26 on it), install iOS 26 on your old one and try it out before initiating the return. If you didn’t like iOS 26, when you get the new one, don’t open the box — but sell it as brand new. You’ll get top dollar for it because new ones are rare.
Then use the proceeds from that sale to buy an excellent condition used SE3 that’s verified to have iOS 18 on it.

Some people like iOS 26 while there are others who hate it. You can’t make your swap decision based on someone else’s opinion. Gotta try it out yourself.
 
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If Apple will replace your SE3 for free (but it will have iOS 26 on it), install iOS 26 on your old one and try it out before initiating the return. If you didn’t like iOS 26, when you get the new one, don’t open the box — but sell it as brand new. You’ll get top dollar for it because new ones are rare.
Then use the proceeds from that sale to buy an excellent condition used SE3 that’s verified to have iOS 18 on it.

Some people like iOS 26 while there are others who hate it. You can’t make your swap decision based on someone else’s opinion. Gotta try it out yourself.
They won't replace it for free. I would have to pay the service fee.
 
If Apple will replace your SE3 for free (but it will have iOS 26 on it), install iOS 26 on your old one and try it out before initiating the return. If you didn’t like iOS 26, when you get the new one, don’t open the box — but sell it as brand new. You’ll get top dollar for it because new ones are rare.
Then use the proceeds from that sale to buy an excellent condition used SE3 that’s verified to have iOS 18 on it.

Some people like iOS 26 while there are others who hate it. You can’t make your swap decision based on someone else’s opinion. Gotta try it out yourself.
IF your going via the Apple care route, the replacements dont come in a box you can keep anymore (not a white box) - you have to use brown phone box they send to return your "faulty" phone. Helping the environment while taking away some resell options.
 
Has anyone heard if the upcoming phones will do better with regard to PWM? Like using a higher frequency panel or getting away from OLED to avoid PWM problems? Or make the PWM toggle actually work?
 
Has anyone heard if the upcoming phones will do better with regard to PWM? Like using a higher frequency panel or getting away from OLED to avoid PWM problems? Or make the PWM toggle actually work?
At this point, I'd say the odds are higher for getting struck by lightning or winning the lottery than of Apple fixing anything with PWM or dithering. I have moved on on the laptop side. Now looking to move away from phone. Looking at Punkt.
 
Anyone with an SE 2022 that upgraded from iOS 18 to iOS 26? Did it work OK or did you find any changes to dithering that make things worse (or better)?

I'm thinking I have to upgrade because if I want to replace the device via Apple due to some connectivity issues, I will need to be on the latest version of iOS.
I have an SE 2022 that I recently upgraded to iOS 26. I upgraded because I started having connectivity issues a couple of weeks ago (voice calls sounded like I was going through a mountain tunnel). I'd had the same issue when I originally got the phone, and I even replaced it under warranty. The problem persisted, and then disappeared one day. No idea why. I assumed that Apple had done some sort of software fix. A couple of weeks ago, it started again. Decided to upgrade to iOS 26 to see if it would fix it. It did not. I'm not a huge fan of the "look" of iOS 26, but I haven't noticed any increase in eye strain associated with it. Wish it had fixed the connectivity issues. I'm probably going to try a new iPhone 17 soon and hope for the best.
 
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Has anyone heard if the upcoming phones will do better with regard to PWM? Like using a higher frequency panel or getting away from OLED to avoid PWM problems? Or make the PWM toggle actually work?
I saw on Reddit that the next M16 panel from Samsung should be technically capable of true flicker-free performance including smoother output at lower brightness levels. This may be the panel Apple uses for iPhone 18, so there is some hope assuming this info is accurate.

I still find iPhone 17 Pro to appear so swimmy to my eyes. Even on a buddy’s 6.3” iPhone 17 Pro, with the PWM toggle on, the flickering display continues to just not be compatible with my eyes.

Google Pixel 11 is expected to be the first smartphone to include this improved M16 OLED panel, which represents multiple additional advancements in display quality and efficiency. It’s possible, according to more recent reports, that only Apple’s foldable iPhone will adopt the M16 panel for this upcoming generation.
 
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I have an SE 2022 that I recently upgraded to iOS 26. I upgraded because I started having connectivity issues a couple of weeks ago (voice calls sounded like I was going through a mountain tunnel). I'd had the same issue when I originally got the phone, and I even replaced it under warranty. The problem persisted, and then disappeared one day. No idea why. I assumed that Apple had done some sort of software fix. A couple of weeks ago, it started again. Decided to upgrade to iOS 26 to see if it would fix it. It did not. I'm not a huge fan of the "look" of iOS 26, but I haven't noticed any increase in eye strain associated with it. Wish it had fixed the connectivity issues. I'm probably going to try a new iPhone 17 soon and hope for the best.
My iPhone SE battery health is becoming abysmal at 65%. I’m at the point where I could either replace the battery and hold out for the twentieth anniversary iPhone next year, try an iPhone 17 with extreme pessimism, or hold out to see what happens in the fall with iPhone 18 especially if it were to include the improved OLED technology.

Frankly, I should have reached out to Apple’s Accessibility team and also the new CEO with my iPhone Air experience. These flickering displays are still horrendously unusable and impractical for somebody as sensitive as I am.
 
I saw on Reddit that the next M16 panel from Samsung should be technically capable of true flicker-free performance including smoother output at lower brightness levels. This may be the panel Apple uses for iPhone 18, so there is some hope assuming this info is accurate.

I still find iPhone 17 Pro to appear so swimmy to my eyes. Even on a buddy’s 6.3” iPhone 17 Pro, with the PWM toggle on, the flickering display continues to just not be compatible with my eyes.

Google Pixel 11 is expected to be the first smartphone to include this improved M16 OLED panel, which represents multiple additional advancements in display quality and efficiency. It’s possible, according to more recent reports, that only Apple’s foldable iPhone will adopt the M16 panel for this upcoming generation.
I thought PWM and dithering are solved problems with Motorola if one is willing to go Android. They have LCD options too, but even with OLED they are fine.
 
My iPhone SE battery health is becoming abysmal at 65%. I’m at the point where I could either replace the battery and hold out for the twentieth anniversary iPhone next year, try an iPhone 17 with extreme pessimism, or hold out to see what happens in the fall with iPhone 18 especially if it were to include the improved OLED technology.

Frankly, I should have reached out to Apple’s Accessibility team and also the new CEO with my iPhone Air experience. These flickering displays are still horrendously unusable and impractical for somebody as sensitive as I am.
Sorry to hear that you're struggling with your SE as well. Have you had any issues with voice calls? I may be in the minority as a frequent user of the phone for actual telephone calls, but my phone has become completely unusable in the last few weeks. I thought that I read somewhere that the new iPhone 18 wouldn't be available until the spring of next year(?) If that's the case, then I have no choice but to try the 17. I'm tired of apologizing to people for the poor connection, and telephoning them back from my landline.
 
Play with it in a store if you can. I have tried and I can immediately tell it doesn't work for me.
My teen has one, so I'm going to see if I can "borrow" it and test it out for awhile. So hard to know, since I keep hearing that there are multiple manufacturers for screens... so her screen may or may not be the one that I get.
 
I thought PWM and dithering are solved problems with Motorola if one is willing to go Android. They have LCD options too, but even with OLED they are fine.
  1. Snap + AMOLED (no dither)
  2. Dimensity + AMOLED (no dither)
  3. Snap + p-OLED (no dither)
  4. Dimensity + p-OLED (no dither)
#1 and #2, yes moto has solved it. Any stylus and now EDGE 2026 look perfect. #3 and #4 are still hit or miss for some.
 
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I know (all too well) that this thread is titled under iPhones and eyestrain… but some of us have reached the bitter end with nowhere to go in regards to avoiding crippling flickering Apple displays. Their laptops have awful displays now too.

Well I’ve got good news (sort of). There is still ONE current Apple display that does not use temporal dithering (that has been verified) and uses pure DC dimming- so absolutely no PWM backlight dimming.

Guess what it is? Yep, the low end 2025 A16 iPad 11th generation (current model).

Well I said the news was sort of good and that’s because the iPad ain’t exactly pocket friendly. It’s a monster compared to an iPhone…. But it runs the latest version of iPadOS 26 which is basically identical to iOS 26 and will get updates for several more years. It uses the A16 bionic chip. LCD display. 6GB RAM.

But here’s the best part I saved for last — it doesn’t flicker at all! I purchased one the day before the big Apple price hikes (lucky me) for $299 at Walmart and used it for hours… and absolutely no nervous system thrashing at all. No vision problems. No headache, no heart skips.

It uses the sRBG color space so it doesn’t need to dither 1 billion colors like the other displays using P3 color.

So yeah - it’s a freaking iPad. But yeah- it’s absolutely tolerable (at least to me) and the display looks really great. Device is super fast and graphics are very fluid.
 
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I know (all too well) that this thread is titled under iPhones and eyestrain… but some of us have reached the bitter end with nowhere to go in regards to avoiding crippling flickering Apple displays. Their laptops have awful displays now too.

Well I’ve got good news (sort of). There is still ONE current Apple display that does not use temporal dithering (that has been verified) and uses pure DC dimming- so absolutely no PWM backlight dimming.

Guess what it is? Yep, the low end 2025 A16 iPad 11th generation (current model).

Well I said the news was sort of good and that’s because the iPad ain’t exactly pocket friendly. It’s a monster compared to an iPhone…. But it runs the latest version of iPadOS 26 which is basically identical to iOS 26 and will get updates for several more years. It uses the A16 bionic chip. LCD display. 6GB RAM.

But here’s the best part I saved for last — it doesn’t flicker at all! I purchased one the day before the big Apple price hikes (lucky me) for $299 at Walmart and used it for hours… and absolutely no nervous system thrashing at all. No vision problems. No headache, no heart skips.

It uses the sRBG color space so it doesn’t need to dither 1 billion colors like the other displays using P3 color.

So yeah - it’s a freaking iPad. But yeah- it’s absolutely tolerable (at least to me) and the display looks really great. Device is super fast and graphics are very fluid.
Good to hear - I think it's my next as I'm tried of being stuck exclusively on the iPhone 11. I was holding out for iPad 12 but let's live for today.
 
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Good to hear - I think it's my next as I'm tried of being stuck exclusively on the iPhone 11. I was holding out for iPad 12 but let's live for today.
The iPad 11th generation (current model) is the only current and last display to use sRGB color, which means no dithering.
Yes this iPad was released over a year ago and will never do Apple intelligence (so what) but it’s pretty much a sure bet that the next 12th gen iPad that will probably drop this fall will inevitably get an “updated” display that can do P3 color like all the other iPads which = dithering.

This is why I got this 11th gen now. The display is likely the last non flickering display Apple will use.
 
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Well I’ve got good news (sort of). There is still ONE current Apple display that does not use temporal dithering (that has been verified) and uses pure DC dimming- so absolutely no PWM backlight dimming.

Guess what it is? Yep, the low end 2025 A16 iPad 11th generation (current model).
It doesn't need to use PWM dimming because it's an LCD display.

Are you 100% sure it doesn't use dithering? Even my lowly iPhone SE 2022 seems to use it. I don't own a tablet but everyone I have tried in store causes problems. The last one that worked for me was the 9th gen iPad.
 
It doesn't need to use PWM dimming because it's an LCD display.

Are you 100% sure it doesn't use dithering? Even my lowly iPhone SE 2022 seems to use it. I don't own a tablet but everyone I have tried in store causes problems. The last one that worked for me was the 9th gen iPad.
Most of Apple”s LCD displays use PWM dimming of the
— backlight —. All the displays that are “XDR” use thousands of LED backlights that are dimmed to different levels with PWM. And of course they use temporal dithering too, so it’s absolute chaos with everything flickering at different frequencies.

I didn’t personally test for temporal dithering on the iPad but search results said no.
It may be that some dithering is still there (even the iPhone 6S uses some) but it’s not as aggressive as what’s used on the P3 enhanced displays.

Also, using Low Power mode on the SE3 gimps the GPU - so dithering is greatly reduced if not eliminated on that phone which has helped people. Low Power mode can be used on iPad too — likely with the same benefits.
I didn’t need to use it since the display doesn’t bother me, but the option is there.

I have set the iPad display settings to the usual eyestrain relief settings:
Reduce White Point,
Reduce transparency
Reduce Motion
And I set a color filter in accessibility settings to grayscale, then slid the slider all the way to the left (minimum) so that it barely is noticeable.
Dong that takes away the typical super punchy, over saturated annoying colors and icon colors that are a hallmark of iOS/iPadOS.
Display is much calmer to look at with slightly subdued colors using that filter setting.
 
Most of Apple”s LCD displays use PWM dimming of the
— backlight —. All the displays that are “XDR” use thousands of LED backlights that are dimmed to different levels with PWM. And of course they use temporal dithering too, so it’s absolute chaos with everything flickering at different frequencies.
Yeah I misspoke there. Just the frequency tends to be a lot higher. It shouldn't be needed, but I guess they like to keep things exciting.
 
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I know (all too well) that this thread is titled under iPhones and eyestrain… but some of us have reached the bitter end with nowhere to go in regards to avoiding crippling flickering Apple displays. Their laptops have awful displays now too.
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$299 at Walmart and used it for hours… and absolutely no nervous system thrashing at all. No vision problems. No headache, no heart skips.
You live in America. Go buy the Motorola Stylus 2025 and enjoy AMOLED without any eye issues. (2026 Stylus and 2026 Edge 2026 should also work).
 
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