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Nonsense. This isn’t some samsung knockoff that gets fooled by a printed photo. These guys look near identical and he handed it off after setting it up. as you really should know if you purport to be up to date on apple tech, it uses ML over time to establish you. immediately handing it to your near twin is just being silly.

let me know when your knockoffs have anywhere near this level of quality. i’ll wait.

but they are not twins.... okay, how do you explain the second video when the second kid is clearly a lot younger than his brother?

 
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With the iPhone X now in the hands of thousands of customers around the world, many early adopters are putting Face ID to the test to see if Apple's facial authentication system is as secure as it advertises.

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Apple says the probability that a random person in the population could look at someone else's iPhone X and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1,000,000, compared to 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID, but it notes the probability of a false match is different for twins and siblings who look like you.

We've already seen that Face ID can be fooled by identical twins, and now a video shared on Reddit appears to confirm that Face ID can sometimes fail to distinguish between siblings who aren't twins but have similar appearances.

In the video, the sibling who set up Face ID on his iPhone X was able to unlock the device with his face as expected. Next, he handed the iPhone to his brother. Face ID didn't authenticate his brother's face upon first attempt, but once he put on a pair of black rim glasses, his face was able to unlock the iPhone X.

Apple has been very transparent that Face ID can be less reliable in these situations, so the video doesn't come across as a PR disaster in the making for the company. But, it does visualize that Face ID isn't 100 percent failproof.

For those concerned about the security of their iPhone X in these cases, Apple's only recommendation is to use a traditional passcode instead of Face ID for authentication. Unfortunately, at least for the time being, that means disabling one of the key new features of a smartphone that costs at least $1,000.

Update: A similar video has surfaced of two half-brothers unlocking the same iPhone X with Face ID. The younger brother is supposedly 14 years old.


Not only do the siblings look somewhat similar, but Apple said probability of a false match is also different among children under the age of 13, because their distinct facial features may not have fully developed. Perhaps the 14-year-old brother falls within that category, even if slightly older.

Article Link: Face ID Appears to Fail at Telling Apart Brothers Who Aren't Twins in New Videos
 
Seems slow and a pain to use, which is a problem. Maybe if you got rid of the extra swipe up after it unlocks it would seem less clunky? I don't know, but that second of hesitation it takes to unlock shouldn't be there.

This is another example of why Apple isn't the same company and puts out lesser products than they used to. The ugly cutout and the clunky face-id system, the camera hump simply wouldn't have happened before. Now they make compromises, and it's hard to be dedicated or care about products that clearly are "good enough." Overall they still make the best smartphones I suppose, but where they used to be in a whole different league than their competition, now they're very much just another phone maker. What's especially frustrating is that this has been allowed to happen as they pile up 200+ billion in cash--they have the resources to be so much better.

As far as this video...well, it's not good, but maybe they handed off the phone during setup?
I assume with software updates getting in to the iPhone will be a lot faster. I’m really enjoying the Face ID feature.
 
You waited till next year because you either can’t afford it or need to justify the fact that you couldn’t get it. This Face ID works fast and perfectly. You are missing out. Trust me it’s not in beta.
Jesus. That's a lot of absurd conjecture on your part. There are lots of people (like me) who have gobs of money, were up around launch time, and are not interested this year for any number of reasons.
 
Then it should not be used as a security lock. Never heard of any locking mechanism requires waiting time to take effect

This x1000. Apple clearly states it learns and improves as you use it. You can’t just enroll a face then give it to your twin (this is what CNN Money did in their video - they literally handed it straight to the twin after enrollment).

Won’t stop countless idiots from claiming it’s not secure, though.
 
Hopefully they can finally get TouchID working with the screen on the Xs next year.
Impossible......they never worked on it and now acccording to experts here, every Android manufacturer is desperately working on their version of FaceID(entical)
 
Then it should not be used as a security lock. Never heard of any locking mechanism requires waiting time to take effect
In fairness, you haven't heard of it because the concept of a locking system powered with machine learning is a new concept. That doesn't make it flawed.
 
Per Apple, only a SINGLE face can be registered with Face ID. So there's ZERO chance that the brother had his face registered in the device too.

On iPhone 8, I tested adding a new fingerprint to Touch ID. Every time I touched the home button, I alternated between 4 different fingers (2 fingers from each hand) until the setup was complete. None of those fingers were previously registered. After setup was complete, all 4 of those fingers registered as the same fingerprint when I touched the home button. And I was able to unlock the phone using any of those 4 fingers.

This would seem to be a way of getting around the 5 finger limit in Touch ID. I did not try combining fingers from different people. Maybe the same trick could be used to get around the single face limit in Face ID.
 
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Machine learning is not an execuse to delay the security lock. Any technology should not put a lock in uncertain status.

In fairness, you haven't heard of it because the concept of a locking system powered with machine learning is a new concept. That doesn't make it flawed.
 
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OK, who cares, nothing is 100%. Why is it that society must always try to make something fail or find fault? Why can't we try to find the positive in things in life and not usually always trying to find the negative.
Well, you did say life im pretty sure technology doesnt fall into that category...
 
It still more secure than Samsung lame implementation and no security is 100% secure, even TouchID was not perfect.

I still like the direction of going towards face detection than finger print as face detection can be used for other stuff just as Apple has shown with ani-emoji
 
Machine learning is not an execuse to delay the security lock. Any technology should not put a lock in uncertain status.
Look, I'm about the last person to defend Apple these days here. But what they are doing is pretty reasonable. You're stating an opinion without any justification for it. I don't see why a lock needs to be perfectly accurate out of the gate, or why it can't be allowed to be improved over time. And that's exactly how it works now; it fails some weird corner cases when put through some not-very-real-world tests, and then (if it works as expected--a big "if) will only get better from there.

Seems reasonable to me. And I wager it will seem reasonable to 99% of people.

Now I'd personally rather stick to Touch ID and plan to do so for now. But while there are lots of things to criticize about the iPhone X, this isn't one IMHO.
 
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I still like the direction of going towards face detection than finger print as face detection can be used for other stuff just as Apple has shown with ani-emoji

Ad companies will love this. So will the people who think it's everyone's duty to watch ads or else they are stealing. Face ID will solve the problem of people leaving the room during an ad to use the toilet or do something else. Forget about motion detectors, Face ID will ensure that people are actually looking at the screen with eyes open the whole time that the ad plays!
 
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I have a Surface Pro 4 tablet and I use the Windows Hello feature and I remember seeing a Microsoft ad showing that Windows Hello was so good that even identical twins couldn’t fool it.

I haven’t done or even seen any testing of the feature but for me it works mostly well. The only time Windows Hello fails is when I’m wearing full size headphones. I have one pair that it doesn’t have problems with and a second pair that it almost always fails with. This is with full size headphones.

I wonder if full size headphones will fool Face ID?

And I’m curious how Microsoft Hello stacks up against Face ID.

Apple has had many years to learn from Microsoft so it would be a huge disappointment to see Apple’s Face ID be a step or two behind Microsoft’s Windows Hello.
 
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Face ID.. what a colossal f-up. Bring out more emojis!
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You know you are talking about a company that stood up to the FBI right? This isn't Google or Facebook.
Wish you had a clue how naive this statement is.
 
It still more secure than Samsung lame implementation and no security is 100% secure, even TouchID was not perfect.

I still like the direction of going towards face detection than finger print as face detection can be used for other stuff just as Apple has shown with ani-emoji


face id will never be as secure as samsung's iris scan and never will be.
 
Forget the two similar looking brothers in the Reddit video. This is all you need to see (as linked previously by others):


Those two half-brothers aren't anywhere NEAR similar enough in appearance or age that Face ID should unlock for both. PERIOD.

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It's FIVE failed attempts, not two.

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I watched both the videos but there is something weird about the second one which seems like a bigger Apple issue. The younger brother gets Face ID rejected a few times and the phone expects a pass code. He shuts the screen using the power button and tries again. At this time Face ID should have been disabled. Once it has asked for a passcode it should never go back to Face ID or Touch ID. What am I missing here.
 
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its not just any picture. it has to be a picture taken with a camera that can capture infrared light. it has to be a specific size. so someone's gonna go up to someone to snap a pic of them and then steal their phone?

one phone you gotta buy all this equipment to "hack" it. the iphone just gets fooled by family members on the first day of launch....
 
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iPhone 8 is what folks should get then. My wife’s fingers are not recognized by TouchID. She has to enter security code every time to unlock her phone. The only reason she has a lock code is iCloud. If it weren’t for iCloud, she wouldn’t have the lock code or TouchID. FaceID is a good security feature for her to eliminate having to unlock with a security code.

Maybe she is not human and it will be confirmed after she is not able to use Face ID either.

Sorry I couldn’t resist the joke. My wife’s resting heart rate is really low and she is nowhere close to being an athlete. I always wonder if she is human.
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I don’t understand how Touch ID can only be accurate to 1 in 50k when everyone on the planet has a unique fingerprint. I think Apple have made that up to make Face ID seem more secure than it actually is.

Remember finger prints are unique when you consider all fingers together. With one finger it is probably not as unique.
 
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