Apple facial recognition is years ahead of Samsungs. It's much more secure. The only instance where it doesnt work is with Twins, and Apple already mentioned this.
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Face ID Appears to Fail at Telling Apart Brothers Who Aren't Twins in New Videos [Updated]
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Apple facial recognition is years ahead of Samsungs. It's much more secure. The only instance where it doesnt work is with Twins, and Apple already mentioned this.
He's not making an excuse, multiple people have already come out and stated they were able to fool the Face ID by scanning 2 faces during the setup process. The only way thats going to happen is if someone purposely wants their phone to be less secure. This whole article is pointless since it doesn't actually prove that Face ID is unreliable.
Then it is not secure when someone or your sibling that resembles you can unlock it without the need of any form of hacking.
Stop posting.
I am explaining reality to people who can't read or think critically. Haters like you just want to dismiss a superior technology as failed because people are actually setting it up incorrectly in NON real world scenarios. Again, show me proof that is has been fooled after a proper set up and not 50 passcode unlocks after failed FaceID tries by the second face.
Watch this technology take over mobile authentication and you can keep holding on to, "BUT BUT BUT IT CAN BE FOOLED BY BROTHERS MESSING AROUND WITH THE SET UP PROCESS."
Yes it is, just not for twins, in which case Apple warned them already, so they should be expecting this. Not even all twins are affected since their are many examples of twins not being able to get into each others phones.
The videos showing the Face ID being fooled have already been proven to be fake. They scanned 2 faces during setup which your not supposed to do.
Face ID is far more secure than Samsung's facial recognition and touch ID.
I still haven't seen proof a sibling (non twin) unlocking the phone after properly setting it up and not overriding the FaceID lockout with a passcode multiple times.
Show me uncut footage of setup process with the same face, zero passcode unlocks with failed face, and immediate unlock by non twin brother.
EVEN if this does happen, it's still your brother and probably would be "learned" out of FaceID over a few days and more data.
Can Apple improve the tech? I'm sure, but this is the future. It's simply too good even as a 1.0.
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It requires a hack to make it fail. Check my previous post. I made a video with my daughters showing how it is done. I dare those other people to show an uncut video doing a proper setup and and immediate test. They won't, because they want the attention of having "broken" FaceID.
I see that people keep talking about Face ID learning more over time and becoming more secure but everything I’ve seen said from Apple is that machine learning is used to learn and adapt to changes to your face such as hair styles, facial hair, and I imagine to the natural aging process of humans.
I have yet to see Apple say that machine learning is used to make Face ID more secure.
Adapting to natural changes to a face and learning to become more secure are not the same thing.
I have yet to see Apple say that machine learning is used to make Face ID more secure.
Adapting to natural changes to a face and learning to become more secure are not the same thing.
Clearly, your statement would be more accurately applied to the post I was replying to.
Kudos for using a fancier word to be both boorish and incorrect in the same sentence though.
Go in peace...
No, that is not what I said—at all. I'm saying that it's completely apples and oranges. If you deliberately choose people or situations that are more similar, then of course the "chance" of a false positive (in your small and biased sample) will be higher. That doesn't mean that the stated 1-in-1-million probability is wrong. In fact, it doesn't have anything to do whatsoever with the stated 1-in-1-million probability.
You could easily distort the numbers the other way—by doing multiple tests on the same people who won't match, and/or intentionally running tests on lots of dissimilar people. That, too, would be meaningless.
Good grief. This stuff isn't hard. It's not even about probability. It's just common sense.
And as stated previously, the efficacy of Face ID should probably the less relevant reason—pro or con—for someone to choose an iPhone X.
Apple’s not going to make something up that could easily be fact checked.Why are people so intent on pissing all over FaceID? Don’t like it then get a phone that uses fingerprint sensor instead.
How can it be fact checked? I don’t believe everything Apple says.
It isn't guaranteed that it won't, initially. Assuming the model is properly trained, the errors should be restricted to close relatives, until the machine learning gets used to its owner's appearance, and eventually starts rejecting close relatives as well. This is how machine learning works. You don't need to beat it to teach it, or any of those wacky human things.
Umm no, if I pay $2000 (Canada) they better have this figured out. Better licence some of Google's machine learning. iOS is a joke when it comes to AI, this is why I went #TeamPixel.
Well, you obviously don’t know how FaceID works. FaceID is designed to require attention by default, and you must be actually looking at the phone for it to unlock. This can be turned off in Settings and is clearly explained in every FaceID article.
I won't, and don't let your dongles and adapters get caught in that door either
Since I'm sure nobody will run a follow up story....here's the proof, many of us here were right all along. These people fooled FaceID by using multiple faces for unlocking, creating an amalgamation of both faces in the database. How many of you were misled by this? And resorted to assuming it was a "problem" with FaceID? You should feel ashamed.
http://bgr.com/2017/11/06/iphone-x-face-id-brothers-fail-explanation/
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THere was hacking, they hacked the setup process....
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Yeah, you're dead wrong. It uses machine learning to improve each time, as you age, as you gain or lose weight, etc. In fact, this is spelled out in a million places...how you missed it is beyond me.
http://bgr.com/2017/11/06/iphone-x-face-id-brothers-fail-explanation/
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THere was hacking, they hacked the setup process....
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Yeah, you're dead wrong. It uses machine learning to improve each time, as you age, as you gain or lose weight, etc. In fact, this is spelled out in a million places...how you missed it is beyond me.
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There is no way to verify whether that's the case. But even that explanation holds some water, it just show there are weaknesses in the system when it got tricked that way.
Seems to me that the face id detection algorithm uses a lot of approximation to determine authenticity. When approximation is used, chances of tricking it is much more easy. Unlike passcode or fp or iris which need exact matching.
Thanks for the update! I never once doubted the security of FaceID, and this just reinforced my faith in the product. But this won't convince those who don't want to be convinced. People came in through the gate with a stance and like stubborn does, they'll remain with their cynicism.
Edit: and what are the chances of someone looking very similar to you, also getting your passcode? TouchID is on its death bed the same way keyboards were on theirs, and cynics were crying murder just the same.
There are two ways to look at this:
- Face ID training is a two-step process. If, in the second step, the software determines that the phone is pointed at a different face than in the first, it probably should provide a message and abort the training. I think that there should be very little latitude while Face ID is being trained.
- Anyone who purposely presents two different faces during training shouldn't complain that their phone will be less secure going forward, although they may complain that the software didn't detect this as in #1.
Well, no, I considered the evidence and watched videos and read a bunch of reviews and experiences because I wanted to full scale of what I'd be getting into. If I had that same mentality I mentioned, I wouldn't have bothered. I'd just get my phone and deal.
Yes, you get fanboys who will protect Apple at every cost, and you get naysayers practicing the opposite. I'm completely neutral.
I have my grievances with the phone for sure, some of which still have me thinking. But FaceID is not one of them.
I mean, I'm not worried about Face ID either. I think it'll be fine, and 99% of the people who are giving this any thought are people who don't have anything THAT secure that they should be over-thinking this.
But when you say, "I never once doubted the security of FaceID," that sounds like you were certain it would be great as soon as it was announced. I mean, the odds were good, but I personally am not one to put blind faith that iteration #1 of something will be flawless.