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Machine learning. The more you use it, the more secure it gets. Setting it up and handing it to your brother on the same day is bound to throw an error

Sorry but you're absolutely wrong! While it's true that FaceID uses neural nets to train on your face, it does this ONCE. This means that FaceID won't improve each time it sees your mug.
 
Sorry but you're absolutely wrong! While it's true that FaceID uses neural nets to train on your face, it does this ONCE. This means that FaceID won't improve each time it sees your mug.

You my friend, are VERY wrong. Apple has clearly stated this several times. I suggest you watch the keynote.
 
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Sorry but you're absolutely wrong! While it's true that FaceID uses neural nets to train on your face, it does this ONCE. This means that FaceID won't improve each time it sees your mug.
No. You are wrong. Apple states quite clearly that it constantly learns, adapts to changes in facial features over time, and pays particular attention when a match fails and is followed by entering of the correct passcode.
 
I actually pointed this out on the original reddit thread.
I didn’t read that...there is a lot to read. So we were both right.

I’m glad to see someone else has a brain.
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If I pay 2000 (Canada) better work flawlessly! Stop making excuses, epic fail
It does work...technology is always evolving. It’s never a finished product. If you don’t like it, use Android which throws out tech for authentication that they don’t even back with their own Samsung Pay.

Apple has confidence in this.

The “failures” are based on non real world scenarios with people purposely trying to fool it over and over in its early learning stages of adaptation while mitigating failures by authenticating with a passcode. They are teaching it to recognize multiple users. This will only happen when people are not using it as intended. Wake me up when someone picks up a random phone and unlocks it.

You say it should never fail, but this isn’t magic. It’s based on user input which if done properly, will not be fooled in this manner.
 
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Yes! I don’t. Please elaborate further

Sure. The stated spec is a 1 in a million chance of a RANDOM person being able to unlock the phone.

What you cited is a number of reported attempts, some intentionally cajoled. So that's not the same numerator. Then you divided by an assumed number of phones sold. That's not the right denominator either.
 
It does work...technology is always evolving. It’s never a finished product. If you don’t like it, use Android which throws out tech for authentication that they don’t even back with their own Samsung Pay.

samsung pay can be unlocked via passcode, fingerprint and iris scanner.
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Sure. The stated spec is a 1 in a million chance of a RANDOM person being able to unlock the phone.

What you cited is a number of reported attempts, some intentionally cajoled. So that's not the same numerator. Then you divided by an assumed number of phones sold. That's not the right denominator either.

so what you're basically saying is that if the people chosen aren't random then theres a much bigger chance than 1 in a million for them to unlock your phone? lol yeah that makes it so much better.....
 
samsung pay can be unlocked via passcode, fingerprint and iris scanner.
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so what you're basically saying is that if the people chosen aren't random then theres a much bigger chance than 1 in a million for them to unlock your phone? lol yeah that makes it so much better.....
I was referring to Samsung’s facial recognition.
 
OK, who cares, nothing is 100%. Why is it that society must always try to make something fail or find fault? Why can't we try to find the positive in things in life and not usually always trying to find the negative.

Because Touch ID was better?
 
No. You are wrong. Apple states quite clearly that it constantly learns, adapts to changes in facial features over time, and pays particular attention when a match fails and is followed by entering of the correct passcode.
Exactly, so entering the password after a fail, tells FaceID it should have recognized the face.
So they "trained" FacedID to recognize both.
How is this different than training it to read a fingerprint from someone else?
Don't train it to recognize your siblings or anyone else. DUH!
 
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so what you're basically saying is that if the people chosen aren't random then theres a much bigger chance than 1 in a million for them to unlock your phone? lol yeah that makes it so much better.....
That is what Apple said during the keynote.
Plus, you have no clue how much failure video are authentic. How much show the registration ? For how much video you are sure the second people had not enter the code ?
 
From Apples security paper on FaceID:



As I stated previously, if people aren’t showing an end-to-end video from setup to use to getting fooled then they are suspect.

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Your entire post is a lie. Oh, and did you forget how easily Samsung’s iris scanner was fooled?
Whose talking about Samsung’s iris scanning?
 
You don't know how machine learning works. Although the ability to apply negative reinforcement would be useful (i.e. you failed to recognize that guy), purely positive reinforcement is sufficient in most simpler cases of identification, such as facial recognition. Although, that does somewhat assume that a person changes their appearance routinely enough for the machine learning to pick up on their different "looks", or to at least not overtrain on a single look. If not, it may actually lock them out with any significant change (similar to how wet fingers would typically not work with Touch ID). This would take time though, so time will tell if Apple designed this to avoid that or not.

With only positive reinforcement how is the algorithm going to know his brother is not just another "look" ?
 
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This is not retina scanning. Closing your eyes shouldn't matter much.

Face ID was made so that if you close your eyes, it wont work.
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I was thinking the same thing, I’ll try do it tomorrow, to test it out

Someone else in the board already said that they were able to do it with a similar relative. So this whole article is pointless.
 
yeah even samsung said that wasn't mean to be used for real security. but yet here is apple using facial recognition for apple pay lol.....
You don't think it's because Apple is using completely different technology that actually can be secure enough for mobile payment?
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Whose talking about Samsung’s iris scanning?
No one. It's terrible.
 
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