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Face ID Appears to Fail at Telling Apart Brothers Who Aren't Twins in New Videos [Updated]
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From Apples security paper on FaceID:
As I stated previously, if people aren’t showing an end-to-end video from setup to use to getting fooled then they are suspect.
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Your entire post is a lie. Oh, and did you forget how easily Samsung’s iris scanner was fooled?
How is it faster? Have you actually tried it? I have no issues whatsoever with speed. I can immediately swipe up and it's unlocked.
Yes, that is true, but only siblings that look very much like each other are a problem at the moment. And as I said many times before, the neural network was not trained enough. Machine learning is only as good as the data it receives. I think those Issues could be prevented if the initial setup process was more extensive. Face ID was not sure enough if the brother was really another person. It had not enough data to compare it to. I think the likelihood of that happening after a few days of usage is very small, because the neural network has more data to work with.
You have to imagine this; Face ID was set up with one face, probably he unlocked it a couple of times and then already handed it over to his brother (which without a doubt looked very much like him). Face ID rejected him the first two times, but at the third attempt it was not sure anymore, because it had not enough data to compare it to.
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Then buy the iPhone 8. It has the same performance and a great camera. thank you.
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Samsungs Iris scanner was already fooled. With a picture. 1.4 trillion is just a non-sense number.
Not surprised that these videos turned out to be intentionally misleading and that the set-up process didn't involve a single person.
Educate me please, "True God".
Apple is not in the business of selling our data, and Google and Facebook are. I'm looking forward to you twisting my words and logic to appear correct.
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It hasn't failed once. Not even when I have half my hand over my face, in the dark, or at any other time. If this is "beta", then I'm fine with beta. You sound salty for no reason.Enjoy your Beta iPhone X.
Windows Hello seems to be good enough to differentiate most twins.
Samsung’s Facial recognition fails to differentiate between twins but the iris scanner can differentiate.
Samsung’s Facial recognition fails to differentiate between twins but the iris scanner can differentiate.
Samsung are clear that facial recognition is not a secure means of locking your phone. I believe it cannot be used to allow payments. It is for people who don't like passcode etc but want a way of preventing passing people accessing your phone if you leave it unattended when going up to buy a drink etc.
Iris scanner is more secure and I cannot see situations where people can use an IR photograph of your eyes using a contact lens to gain illegal access to your phone. Using a print of your eyes with a contact lens applied won't look at all suspicious when paying for your purchases at M&S. NOT!!!!
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Put it this way, even if you find someone that looks slightly like you, they won't have the same fingerprint. No two people have the same exact fingerprint. That alone should tell you all something. We can look alike but even then we don't have the same fingerprint.
As if the people we see in the videos about Face ID went out and found 50,000 people to compare?
As I said in my previous post, the videos we are seeing now about Face ID failures are not the videos we saw regarding TouchID when it came out. How many videos did you see about TouchID failures when it came out? There in lies the entire point.
I guess no one reads the Apple documents. In their own docs, Apple explains that FaceID uses machine learning and adapts to the face over time, allowing changes in looks. Early on, there are obviously fewer “learning” opportunities the system. Shaving off your beard might cause FaceID to reject entry, but entering a passcode effectively tells the system that the “new” look is OK. This is a key for how these siblings are fooling the system.
Further, Apple states entering the passcode after a failed attempt tells the system the previous face was actually good to go. Do this early enough and enough times with different faces and you’ll probably teach the system both faces work st least some of the time.
The absolute key is entering passcode on failed attempts. GUARANTEE these kids were constantly doing that.
These folks are purposely trying the fool the system by:
1) Registering both their faces during setup.
2) Entering passcode after a sibling failed to unlock, effectively “teaching” FaceID that the previous face was an acceptable match.
These are not real world scenarios and I believe the system is working as designed and can still be tweaked with software updates.
My own personal experience with FaceID has been 100% impressed.
Further, Apple states entering the passcode after a failed attempt tells the system the previous face was actually good to go. Do this early enough and enough times with different faces and you’ll probably teach the system both faces work st least some of the time.
The absolute key is entering passcode on failed attempts. GUARANTEE these kids were constantly doing that.
These folks are purposely trying the fool the system by:
1) Registering both their faces during setup.
2) Entering passcode after a sibling failed to unlock, effectively “teaching” FaceID that the previous face was an acceptable match.
These are not real world scenarios and I believe the system is working as designed and can still be tweaked with software updates.
My own personal experience with FaceID has been 100% impressed.
As I am sure is the case with people using Samsung's iris scanner. Does this mean they are both totally secure?
The extent to which this holy war wages on really amuses me. There are lots of reasons to praise or despise the iPhone X. Unless you are in a profession where secrecy is of the utmost importance (e.g., a DoD contractor), the relative quality of Face ID is not among them.
It's really funny to me how many people get distracted by marketing. It's like cats following laser beams around.
It's really funny to me how many people get distracted by marketing. It's like cats following laser beams around.
The first version of TouchID introduced a new and alternative method of locking ones phone instead of a numeric code. Teething problems/issues with this new method can be accepted.
FaceID is introducing a different method of providing the alternative to a numeric code. This new alternative should be as good, if not better than the alternative it is replacing. Anything less than this is unacceptable. So FaceID should be equal or better to the TouchID it is replacing from the first version.
This is how its supposed to work with machine learning. However it takes multiple uses to be up that face data which obviously is not happening in these video depicting fresh face registrations. Basically this is when face id is at its weakest due to the lack of face data.
It’s worth whatever you want to assign to it. I told you exactly how this video came about and really just pointed out what Apple already told us.
A lot of you are freaking out about this, but FaceID works as intended despite these videos.
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So I was right.
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If I pay 2000 (Canada) better work flawlessly! Stop making excuses, epic fail