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Face ID in iPhone X vs. 'Face Unlock' Facial Recognition in OnePlus 5T
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There's some misconceptions floating around.
Spoofing the iris scan required an infrared hires photo. Nobody posts those online. And most people's cameras now have IR filters and cannot be used.
You might be thinking of the proof that a hires online photo could be used to create a fake print to spoof TouchId.
As for FaceId, there are various pieces of software that can turn a series of regular photos into 3D mesh data, which could then be used to create a face mask.
Biometrics are simply not foolproof. But spoofing is more work than normal thieves are going to do.
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Wait, hold on. If you are covering the sensors in the notch, then Face ID won’t work? No way!!! Thanks genius for this information.
I don't want Face ID until the questions posed by the following article are answered conclusively:
https://1reddrop.com/2017/09/16/will-face-id-iphone-x-damage-retina/
Scoff if you will, and perhaps everything is okay healthwise, but I only have one set of eyes. The only consensus is that it will take about two years to know how people may possibly be affected.
https://1reddrop.com/2017/09/16/will-face-id-iphone-x-damage-retina/
Scoff if you will, and perhaps everything is okay healthwise, but I only have one set of eyes. The only consensus is that it will take about two years to know how people may possibly be affected.
I suppose it could be for certain people. Not for me, I could never get it to work because of my glasses. Even when I took my glasses off, it didn’t seem to work.
Sorry, no. I’m not confused one bit. CCC themselves are the ones who stated a non-IR picture could also work. They also stated its much easier than TouchID to spoof. If you want to argue with them, go ahead.
technically, judge in USA can enforce you to unlock your telephone using fingerprint. If you have a passcode they do not have the right to even ask you. As I said, how about dead head? Bit Chilling I know, but would be good to know.You have iPhone X right? Then I elect you to be the first cadaver for this FaceID unlock testlol just kidding but seriously you’d wat to see that tested?
Not sure there is or any current laws regarding that.
The only compromise I feel like I'm making is screen size compared to my 7+. It's narrower, and that limits content and picture size in portrait orientation. In landscape the reduced height also limits size of most pictures, and the number of lines of text. Presumably the X-plus will fix this.
But everything else about the phone is better to my taste. Unlocking is a huge step up, I much prefer swipe-for-home, and the what's not to like about a smaller phone to screen ratio? The notch bugged me until I got the phone. The alternative black bar across the top would be worse. Still, I think it's cheating to measure the diagonal as though the notch were not there.
Okay, it's not your fault. They engaged in some handwaving to make it sound easier.
What a CCC spokesperson said, was that "in the right circumstances" a regular photo could be used to fool some iris systems. That means NOT the Samsung iris scanner, which requires an infrared image. CNET even tried with a regular photo and could not get it to work.
The minute I saw the CCC demo video, I knew they were being a bit disingenuous. First off, they used a Sony Cybershot with Night Shot capability. That was a camera with a switch to remove the infrared cut out filter from its image sensor path. That camera hasn't been commercially available in well over a decade, maybe almost two.
(I also wonder if it was otherwise modified as well, since they took the picture in broad daylight and that would normally overwhelm its sensor with IR in that mode. If nothing else, they knew from past experience how to manipulate the image to make it work.)
Plus, unlike with their TouchId spoof which was duplicated many times by multiple people, not one other example has shown up of spoofing that iris scanner. Odd. Or maybe people now realize that biometrics is not secure and don't need more proof.
The reverse for me. With Touch ID, I picked the phone up in a natural, habitual way and it was always unlocked before I looked at it. With Face ID I have to pick it up and look at it (often having to wait a while). And Face ID has failed for me more times than Touch ID did. I can't remember Touch ID ever failing, actually. But Face ID, noticeable more times.
Asking a question to my question? Nice spin. I never said it does or doesn't work. I asked you if that was your belief.
[doublepost=1513027713][/doublepost]This forum is hilarious. Is you listened and believe people's experiences here, you would think TouchID only worked/works like 15% of the time, yet a few years ago, TouchID was the best thing every to happen to the iPhone. I assume in another few years people will state FaceID was trash and whatever newapplegimmick is the best thing ever. I guess it's just part of the buying cycle.
I added bold for emphasis. You're a reasonable guy, so I think you'll agree that this is one case where people's tastes were different. I was talking with a friend of mine's dad last night, and he returned his X. It's just not for him.
Some people would prefer a top bezel. Some people struggle with gestures and would prefer a home button. Some people watch a lot of movies in landscape mode and definitely don't want a notch. And so on and so forth.
When going from my 3GS to my 4S, and then to my 5S, and then to my 6S, I saw precisely zero reasons not to upgrade. Not a one. For myself and at least a decent number of people, the calculus when thinking about upgrading to the X is a bit different.
You know, what was wrong with slide to unlock? No password, no finger print and no face needed. I'm not famous and none of you are either. We're not targets. As long as you're not an idiot with your phone and don't allow it to get stolen, slide to unlock is perfectly fine.
Sure. Different strokes and all. But I thought it was worth pointing out that opinions can change: I thought I'd miss the home button too, but in fact, I prefer the new system. The aesthetics of the notch only bothered me in photos of the iphone, but not at all in reality.
In portrait orientation, the asymmetry is ok -- the top is different from the bottom, after all. So I have a hard time understanding a preference for a top bezel. Why waste space?. And in landscape, there's nothing stopping the software from imposing a bezel.
Indeed, for 2.3:1 movies in iTunes, the default mode plays the whole frame inside the notch, and it's still bigger than the full frame on a non-plus model. (You have the option to use all the pixels if you can tolerate the notch.) For 16:9 content, the notch is not an issue, because a centered picture occupying the full vertical room, does not touch the notch. And 16:9 content includes all of TV (news clips, comedy monologues, tv shows etc).
So, if you're comparing movies on a 5S or 6S to movies on a X, the viewing experience is not a matter of taste. The X has a bigger picture without the notch, higher resolution and more contrast. The only down-side is the phone is also a little bigger and heavier.
If you're comparing movies on a plus to movies on the X, then, no question, as I said before, the picture on the X is smaller. I look forward to the X-plus to fix that.
For me, face ID by itself makes this one of the most worthwhile iPhone upgrades, right there with the size bump at 6. Smaller bezels, no home button, and better screen and camera are gravy.
I need to get a little more educated myself here, so help me out please if you don't mind.
There's a photo circulating of someone playing a video or movie in landscape on their X. The scene is guys on a boat or something. And the notch obscures the view. Then they show the view "shrunken" so that the notch isn't in the way, but a LOT of real estate is lost in this mode. Does this ring a bell?
What exactly are they doing? Is it something wrong, or a not-real-world situation, or what?
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You and I don't always see eye to eye, but you're a reasonable man, so let me point something out for illustrative purposes.
Take out each instance of the word "Apple" you wrote above, and insert the word "Trump" instead. Yeah, it doesn't make sense in tech, but we are talking about language and tone, so I think you get the picture.
So two legitimate questions:
1) Do you see how that attitude can breed some of the very discontent you spent the second half of your post talking about?
2) Do you agree that people can have some legitimate hardware and software gripes without being "Apple haters"?
comparing face ID with oneplus 5T facial recognition is like comparing tourbillon with japanese quartz.
Don't know the photo, but yes, in iTunes you have the option to watch a movie with the aspect ratio of 2.35:1 using all the real estate (zoomed in) and with the notch visible (and part of the frame cropped out because the screen is only 2.16:1), or "shrunken", showing the full frame, but with some unused real estate.
My point was that even with the shrunken option, the image is bigger than it would be with a 4.7" iPhone 6, 7, or 8. The frame width in the default zoomed out (shrunken) mode is 124 mm, compared to the total screen width of 100 mm on a 4.7" iPhone. So, what you call a LOT of real estate lost in this mode is actually only about half the size of the permanent bezels on the long dimension on a 4.7" iPhone. And if both are showing the full frame, the X also loses less real estate on the shorter dimension.