Facebook and Twitter Announce Support for Apple in Backdoor Dispute With FBI

[ptb42]

Most of those demands can be achieved through MDM commands.

And that's one of the things that makes this interesting: the device in question was issued to the perpetrator by his employer: San Bernadino County. Since it was their property, their consent was required for this fishing expedition. They could have used MDM to provide access, if they had set it up properly.

However, it looks like this will be a futile effort:

The couple took pains to physically destroy two personally owned cell phones, crushing them beyond the FBI's ability to recover information from them. They also removed a hard drive from their computer; it has not been found despite investigators diving for days for potential electronic evidence in a nearby lake.

Farook was not carrying his work iPhone during the attack. It was discovered after a subsequent search. It was not known whether Farook forgot about the iPhone or did not care whether investigators found it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/judge-apple-us-hack-san-bernardino-killers-phone-36990684

 

[eicca]

1) I can think of a dozen better ways to combat terrorism than wasting time and money trying to crack a phone that probably doesn't have any useful information on it

2) Just look at how much information has been hacked out of the FBI. You give them a master key to the iPhone and it'll be all over the internet in no time.

 

[jayducharme]

I'm glad that more tech companies are making public statements. As someone else mentioned, I don't think that MS will say anything. Now let's see if Amazon (with its Kindle), Barnes & Noble (with the Nook) -- and heck, maybe even Elon Musk (with the connected Tesla) -- will join the fray. If all the big tech players join together, there's a chance....

 

[brianvictor7]

Both Facebook and Twitter today joined the ranks of a growing number of tech companies announcing support for Apple's decision to oppose a government order that would require it to weaken the security of its iOS devices. The FBI is demanding Apple create a version of iOS that would let it crack the passcode on the iPhone 5c used by San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook, something Apple has called a "dangerous precedent."

In a tweet shared this afternoon, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey thanked Tim Cook for his leadership and said the company stands with Apple. In the tweet, Dorsey also links to Cook's strongly worded open letter that calls the FBI's software request "too dangerous to create."

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Facebook announced its support through a statement shared with USA Today, which says the company will "fight aggressively" against government requirements to weaken security. Facebook says the FBI's demands "would create a chilling precedent."The dispute between Apple and the FBI centers around the FBI's request for a new version of iOS that would disable certain passcode security features on the shooter's iPhone 5c. The FBI has made three demands of Apple, which are as follows:

1. Eliminate the auto-erase function that wipes an iPhone if the wrong passcode is entered 10 times.
2. Eliminate the delay that locks the FBI out of the iPhone if the wrong passcode is entered too many times in a row.
3. Implement a method that would allow the FBI to electronically enter a passcode using software.

While the government has suggested the software tool will be used to unlock only the device in question, Apple and other technology companies believe that it sets a precedent that could lead to similar unlocking requests in the future or a general demand to weaken overall encryption for electronic devices. Tim Cook has called the FBI's demands an "overreach" by the U.S. government that would "undermine the very freedoms and liberty our government is meant to protect."Apple has gained a number of backers over the course of the last few days. Google CEO Sundar Pichai previously announced support for Apple, calling the FBI's request a "troubling precedent" in a statement released yesterday. Apple also has the support of WhatsApp CEO Jan Koum and several advocacy groups, including the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Fight for the Future, and the American Civil Liberties Union. Apple customers have created petitions and are attending rallies held in support of Apple's willingness to fight for privacy protections.

Update: In related news, Apple has received additional time to respond to the court order levied against it earlier this week. The judge who ordered Apple to help the FBI break into the iPhone had given the company 5 days to oppose the order, which has now been extended to February 26. Apple is planning to fight the court order.

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As much as I would love to help the FBI catch the bad guys, there is every historical precedent to fear the government's abuse of power. I'm with Apple on this one.

 

[groovyd]

since all these tech firms have way more free cash flow then the government to fight back it appears to be a slam dunk for them. and after all of this i am proud of apple for fighting this. it is a very good business move that either way paints them as the champion of the consumer. we should see some good quarterly results bouncing off this over the next few quarters which is really what matters in the end.

 

[fifthworld]

...just want to say that they have all picked a fight with the US law...

mmm, no, not the current law

 

[ominx]

since all these tech firms have way more free cash flow then the government to fight back it appears to be a slam dunk for them. and after all of this i am proud of apple for fighting this. it is a very good business move that either way paints them as the champion of the consumer. we should see some good quarterly results bouncing off this over the next few quarters which is really what matters in the end.

As much as security and user privacy is a conscious business decision for Apple, I honestly do not think this FBI denial has been made with that intention.
This is an ethical fight.

 

[groovyd]

As much as security and user privacy is a conscious business decision for Apple, I honestly do not think this FBI denial has been made with that intention.
This is an ethical fight.

completely agree... i am just saying that if it were done purely for business purposes it is still the right thing to do. this is the rare case where both good business and ethics are on the same side of the fence.

 

[Naaaaak]

We would be in uproar if this was [a Republican] asking for this.

Your original quote may have been about China, but I really feel like the reaction would be lividity if this happened under W's watch…

 

[macfacts]

Its hard for me to care about their support on this. They both give out information to the government without hesitation. I

You're talking about Apple right?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ked-iphones-for-the-feds-70-times-before.html

 

[paradox00]

When you hold an opinion, you should always check if it passes a "smell test" under different circumstances. It's a good way to weed out bias. A simple test in this case is to change one (or both) of the parties involved. For example, would your opinion change if the Chinese government was the one requesting Apple do this? Mine wouldn't. The FBI's sure would though.

Good on Facebook and Twitter for siding with the position that doesn't stink.
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You're talking about Apple right?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ked-iphones-for-the-feds-70-times-before.html

http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/18/no-apple-has-not-unlocked-70-iphones-for-law-enforcement/

 

[TsMkLg068426]

And the terrorist win once more thank you REPUNDANTS!

 

[macfacts]

...

http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/18/no-apple-has-not-unlocked-70-iphones-for-law-enforcement/

Read your link. It says Apple HAS HELPED get info from iphones 70 times. What you're trying to say is Apple didn't "unlock" anything. That part is true cause older iPhones didn't need to be unlocked. So you are technically correct. Nothing has been unlocked before cause there was no security

 

[paradox00]

And the terrorist win once more thank you REPUNDANTS!

The terrorists win when you're so scared that you willingly give up your rights and your privacy in exchange for promises of protection against them. Terror, it's in the name, don't bow to it. Frankly, weakening phone security won't stop terrorism, it would just change the tools they use to communicate.

 

[IbisDoc]

The slippery slope fallacy is strong in this thread.

 

[paradox00]

Read your link. It says Apple HAS HELPED get info from iphones 70 times. What you're trying to say is Apple didn't "unlock" anything. That part is true cause older iPhones didn't need to be unlocked. So you are technically correct. Nothing has been unlocked before cause there was no security

What's your point? Your article argues that this case isn't precedent setting, but it has its facts wrong. My article demonstrates why it is precedent setting. BTW, Apple enabled device wide encryption in part, so that they no longer had to comply with those requests for data (because they can no longer read the data). This wasn't a secret, not known before today. The person you quoted referenced companies having no reluctance to turn over data. Apple's demonstrated reluctance all along, but they won't go as far as breaking the law to protect customer information, hence the move towards having access to as little information as possible.

 

[macs4nw]

Today it is the data on our smartphones.

Tomorrow it is the thoughts in our brains.

The principle of a right to privacy is an important one that will one day affect everyone unavoidably if technology continues to advance. Better to fight for the principle of privacy now, when it's about smartphones, rather than later, when it's about our brains.

Absolutely; it's only a matter of time before the thoughts in our head will be downloadable. Scary thought!

 

[Huracan]

I'm with Apple on this one. This is a slippery slope.

 

[TsMkLg068426]

The terrorists win when you're so scared that you willingly give up your rights and your privacy in exchange for promises of protection against them. Terror, it's in the name, don't bow to it. Frankly, weakening phone security won't stop terrorism, it would just change the tools they use to communicate.

That is not the point I am making here and no fear has nothing to do with this either it is the fact that government wants access to a criminals phone and if anything why are people so paranoid now the government has been listening to your phone since landline. Snowden did not blow the whistle on anything new other than wanting attention and selling info to Russia. If fear is what you worry about than you are saying the government are terrorists also. Time for me to put on my Aluminum foil on my head I think the government can use mind control.



Privacy for non criminal makes sense but if you are a goat ****er you don't deserve any privacy at all nor your family.

 

[macs4nw]

.....In related news, Apple has received additional time to respond to the court order levied against it earlier this week. The judge who ordered Apple to help the FBI break into the iPhone had given the company 5 days to oppose the order, which has now been extended to February 26. Apple is planning to fight the court order.....

Apple's frantic legal team holed-up with take-out food and cots until Feb 26.....

Seriously, here's where the EFF could play a huge role in organizing mass response to any planned 'back-door' legislation. We must fight this, tooth and nail; our freedom and privacy are at stake.

 

[paulvee]

Both Facebook and Twitter today joined the ranks of a growing number of tech companies announcing support for Apple's decision to oppose a government order that would require it to weaken the security of its iOS devices. The FBI is demanding Apple create a version of iOS that would let it crack the passcode on the iPhone 5c used by San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook, something Apple has called a "dangerous precedent."

In a tweet shared this afternoon, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey thanked Tim Cook for his leadership and said the company stands with Apple. In the tweet, Dorsey also links to Cook's strongly worded open letter that calls the FBI's software request "too dangerous to create."

​

Facebook announced its support through a statement shared with USA Today, which says the company will "fight aggressively" against government requirements to weaken security. Facebook says the FBI's demands "would create a chilling precedent."The dispute between Apple and the FBI centers around the FBI's request for a new version of iOS that would disable certain passcode security features on the shooter's iPhone 5c. The FBI has made three demands of Apple, which are as follows:

1. Eliminate the auto-erase function that wipes an iPhone if the wrong passcode is entered 10 times.
2. Eliminate the delay that locks the FBI out of the iPhone if the wrong passcode is entered too many times in a row.
3. Implement a method that would allow the FBI to electronically enter a passcode using software.

While the government has suggested the software tool will be used to unlock only the device in question, Apple and other technology companies believe that it sets a precedent that could lead to similar unlocking requests in the future or a general demand to weaken overall encryption for electronic devices. Tim Cook has called the FBI's demands an "overreach" by the U.S. government that would "undermine the very freedoms and liberty our government is meant to protect."Apple has gained a number of backers over the course of the last few days. Google CEO Sundar Pichai previously announced support for Apple, calling the FBI's request a "troubling precedent" in a statement released yesterday. Apple also has the support of WhatsApp CEO Jan Koum and several advocacy groups, including the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Fight for the Future, and the American Civil Liberties Union. Apple customers have created petitions and are attending rallies held in support of Apple's willingness to fight for privacy protections.

Update: In related news, Apple has received additional time to respond to the court order levied against it earlier this week. The judge who ordered Apple to help the FBI break into the iPhone had given the company 5 days to oppose the order, which has now been extended to February 26. Apple is planning to fight the court order.

Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Facebook and Twitter Announce Support for Apple in Backdoor Dispute With FBI

[doublepost=1455853223][/doublepost]"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Ben Franklin

 

[ghost187]

Google already came out in support.

In the most half-assed manner possible.

 

[blut haus]

Steve Jobs would never...

did you ask him?

 

[duffman9000]

Better late than never you sycophants.
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In the most half-assed manner possible.

I beg to differ. That was more like a 1/4 assed statement. They couldn't even dedicate one butt cheek to this !!

 

[Jazwire]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

And apparently Tim Cook, go get bent US Govt.
I am so sick of my government, they all need to go I don't care if they have a D or a R. Get rid of them all and start over.

Maybe if the FBI had done its job in the first place and actually vetted them properly before entering the country. "WE" wouldn't be asked to give up our rights.

Hell no.