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Removing proper security works both ways...

Terrorists could use these backdoors to determine the current location of politicians etc, when planning an attack.

It's much better to keep everything secure and use the many other methods at our disposal to stop terrorists.
 
I agree that the issue is important enough to warrant a Supreme Court decision. But it could take years before it even gets there.

The Government will do everything to make sure that the tech companies (e.g. Apple's CEO) will eventually "surrender" because the Government will use every propaganda to say that "The tech companies are traitors, see how they side with the terrorists?!"

And eventually, the Tech Companies may indeed surrender after a couple years and say "Man, we tried to fight this, but it's just not worth it. The Government has demonized us, vilified us, and painted us as terrorist-enablers, and like 90% of the brainwashed American public believe the Government view. This is just not worth fighting any longer. It's costed us way too much money, and way too much brand damage, and we've lost too many customers over this. There's no way we can ever win this. We cave in."

The Supreme Court isn't the final say on everything.

There is actually nothing that the government can do here. What they are asking is for Apple to create something that doesn't exist. The government cannot force a company to create something new.
 
That's what happens when you defy Obama...

Hold on. The head of the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee, a Republican, just introduced a bill to make it a crime to defy a court order such as this. Trump, the leading Republican candidate for President, came out in opposition to Apple. Instead of the so called "true conservative" candidates bashing him for it. They were all silent. They had an excellent opportunity to equate Tump to Obama and they were all silent.

Don't delude yourself. Everyone in Government wants greater ability to spy on American citizens.

It's sad that the only bi-partisan issue left in Washington is stripping Americans of their right to privacy.
 
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I respect Apple's decision, HOWEVER - There is something to be said here. Creating a special version that would hack this particular iPhone would not automatically mean that all iPhones are in jeopardy. Tech companies host black-hat/white-hat conferences all the time, asking the general tech community to hack their software. Why do they do it? So they can have better security and identify security holes.

If Apple were to develop this special version that would bypass the passcode (if it's even possible), they would also have the ability to block this vulnerability in an iOS software update. One would argue that IF they are able to crack the passcode, it would actually make the iPhone MORE secure for the general population, because if Apple was able to crack it, so could other hackers, especially well-funded governments.

So the notion that hacking this particular device would automatically leak out to the public and endanger 99.9% of iPhone users is not entirely accurate. It might actually make 99.9% of the iPhone users more secure.
 
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Wonder if this iPhone in custody was Touch ID enabled. Did they attempt to open it with the lifted and raised fingerprinted of the corpses.
 
Removing proper security works both ways...

Terrorists could use these backdoors to determine the current location of politicians etc, when planning an attack.

It's much better to keep everything secure and use the many other methods at our disposal to stop terrorists.

I think the greatest terrorist threat we have is electronic. If terrorist could figure out a way to hack into peoples bank accounts and mess with peoples investments, checking and savings it could be devastating to the world economy and if they could do it to millions of people it would take years to sort out.

So... encouraging anything that puts electronic devices, peoples passwords and personal information at risk is very concerning. Sure, information from smart phones may help the FBI, but does the benefit out-weigh the long-term risk? I think the FBI has plenty of options other than digging into a phone to get the information they need.
 
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The Supreme Court isn't the final say on everything.

There is actually nothing that the government can do here. What they are asking is for Apple to create something that doesn't exist. The government cannot force a company to create something new.

To your first sentence, yes, the S.Ct. is the final arbiter of legal issues under the U.S. Constitution. The only things that trump a S.Ct. decision are a reversal by that Court or an Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

To your second sentence, there is a dispute here between a government agency and a U.S. corporation. What you state as fact is actually an unsettled legal question. A federal judge, in fact, has ordered Apple to create a backdoor. Apple contents the Court has no right to make such a request. So Apple and the government can either settle, accept a lower court decision, or kick it up the court system until either the S.Ct. agrees to hear it and makes a decision or refuses to hear it, essentially affirming the lower court decision.
 
The for profit motivation is so pure, the government motivation is never pure and exists in a highly corruptible state. Fight the good fight tech giants.
 
Apple to the government right now...

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Me right now...

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"Victims of terror"

Am I the only one that is under the impression that terror was there since humans existed, but surprisingly the US government uses that slogan now to fear people so that they have an argument for doing the things they do?

FBI should just figure out how to hack themselves or get the NSA involved, if their skills really are as good as countless smokescreen movies and TV series want to make you believe.

Otherwise, just don't mess with things you don't understand and let people live their lives as opposed to always find a silly excuse for hurting our privacy even more.

There are countless other options to get access to a users' activities already, because companies and the surrounding infrastructure seldomly forgets things. Not in this day and age.
 
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Why can't Apple write the code needed, extract all data held on the device or within this one account, and then, under apple's own internal security destroy all copies of the software.
Do it all internally under Apple's highest security.

Isn't that the simple answer? Unless Apple does not trust itself?

Unless of course Apple feels if they do this once, they will be asked to do it again.

Personally I find it hard to believe Apple cannot do this already.
Does Apple want it's cloud/account services being used for all the terror plots, child ponography around the globe.
Apple = the safe haven for all illegal activities. As that's what will happen.

If what Tim tells us is true, which I will admit I have my doubts
 
Why can't Apple write the code needed, extract all data held on the device or within this one account, and then, under apple's own internal security destroy all copies of the software.
Do it all internally under Apple's highest security.

Isn't that the simple answer? Unless Apple does not trust itself?

Unless of course Apple feels if they do this once, they will be asked to do it again.

Personally I find it hard to believe Apple cannot do this already.
Does Apple want it's cloud/account services being used for all the terror plots, child ponography around the globe.
Apple = the safe haven for all illegal activities. As that's what will happen.

If what Tim tells us is true, which I will admit I have my doubts

Point is - give an inch, take a mile <--- federal government.

No, no and NO!
 
Apple cannot provide backdoor because the genius developed the code no longer with the company. It is left with people who can only tinker new devices cosmetically.

I respect privacy, but to what extent. What about all the devices not running latest iOS. How is Apple protecting their privacy.

What about millions of iCloud locked clean IMEI iPhones genuine users are not able to use. Apple is making impossible to get those unlocked.

It is not that FBI cannot crack the device, but it won't be admissible in the court of law.

Telephone companies and ISPs provided back doors to Government for decades. Nothing new here.

Tim take a cookie and unlock the phone.
 
If (in some twisted turn of events) Apple does make this backdoor, I can see so many people jumping ship to other phones
 
Why can't Apple write the code needed, extract all data held on the device or within this one account, and then, under apple's own internal security destroy all copies of the software.
Do it all internally under Apple's highest security.

Isn't that the simple answer? Unless Apple does not trust itself?

Unless of course Apple feels if they do this once, they will be asked to do it again.

Personally I find it hard to believe Apple cannot do this already.
Does Apple want it's cloud/account services being used for all the terror plots, child ponography around the globe.
Apple = the safe haven for all illegal activities. As that's what will happen.

If what Tim tells us is true, which I will admit I have my doubts
I don't think any company can just ignore a court order. This will have to go to the Supreme Court or Congress will have to deal with it. If Apple was successfully able to do this who says they wouldn't be asked to do it again? It absolutely is about the precedent that would be set. Who's to say a corrupt government and judge couldn't demand it in the future for something else?
 
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