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Facebook and Twitter Announce Support for Apple in Backdoor Dispute With FBI
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At times like this I really miss Steve. Steve could talk and I doubt anyone can dispute that.
Lets just step back and think, what if Apple did create custom firmware, and end up compromising the security of all customers, only to find out that the iPhone had been wiped clean and a password created only to add confusion. Hmm.
I wish I could like this more than once. I think I've posted something similar here lol.
Surely, the FBI will force us to install a brain implant to allow surveillance. Make my words...
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Did you watch when Geraldo opened Al Capone's secret tomb (or vault but what's the difference)? It was epic! Oh how I wish the Internet as we know it was around back then.
I'm wondering what could be possibly be on the phone that is not in an iCloud Backup. The feds could easily get a warrant via the Third Party Doctrine and get the info off of iCloud servers. Honestly this feels like the Feds are attempting to do a power play.
This times 100. I applaud Apple for fighting this. The primary reason may be that it is in the best interest of their shareholders. However, the fact that it is also in the best interest of their customers is not completely unrelated. To comply with this request jeopardizes the security of all their customers and the entire United States. Dr. Drang stated it better than I can, but basically, if the FBI can order Apple to backdoor this one iPhone, then what is stopping other governments from ordering Apple to backdoor other iPhones... or every iPhone owned by an American... or every iPhone period. Don't forget, Apple is an international company, they sell almost everywhere.
Dr. Drang's post: http://leancrew.com/all-this/2016/01/decryption-laws-for-phones/
EDIT to add: If Apple unlocks this particular phone, it's entirely possible that the only thing we will learn is that the terrorists only could muster a score of 2 on Flappy Bird. There's dreams of what COULD be on the phone, but nobody knows (if they do KNOW, it isn't public) what exactly is on the phone that makes the data so valuable.
This right here! My sentiments exactly. And as unbelievable as that might sound now, who would have thought this about phones, 20 years ago...
It's worse than that. Apple has already provided the information that was stored on iCloud servers.
But, this particular phone was provided to the perpetrator by his employer: San Bernadino County. The perp didn't have it with him, and it was found later in a search.
The personal cell phones of both perpetrators were destroyed prior to the crime. The hard drive from their desktop/laptop has never been found, even after spending days trolling a nearby lake.
So, one has to ask: what do they think they can find, since no attempt was made to disable it? As you has speculated, this appears to be an attempt to set a precedent in a case where both the public and the judicial system can be manipulated.
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Well the court used an existing law to demand Apple help the FBI so there are some existing laws.
I thought the bad guy and his wife were shot to pieces already.
Tim cook with with gloves on punching the *** out of the FBI. I can just see it now.
Be careful Facebook, You may be next regarding "you cannot have the privacy option set"
The government is only saying this now from a legal standpoint, just to get in there, but once in, they're be powerful enough beyond their wildest dreams to take over your phone if given half the chance.
Be careful Facebook, You may be next regarding "you cannot have the privacy option set"
The government is only saying this now from a legal standpoint, just to get in there, but once in, they're be powerful enough beyond their wildest dreams to take over your phone if given half the chance.
Microsoft is probably sitting back in their chair saying "Yesssss."
Anyway, the most they'll find on it is what, Angry Birds?
I mean you kind of have to comply with the government. I mean, they're not playing around. Now, the thing about it is that they said that it could get into the wrong hands but how do they expect that to happen?
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Is no one wondering that a back-door on Apple devices would be terrible for business as well?
I understand that the US govt. would be easily able to look up any info on any global citizen, regardless of their jurisdiction, possibly triggers mass spying.
This would definitely invoke ban in China and Russia on all Apple products in less than a second.
Other countries, allies of US or not would definitely soon follow suit.
I for one definitely know even Indian govt. may oppose the move publicly, but in a closed door meet would definitely ask for permission to use that back-door access at will for themselves, this will be same for numerous countries as well.
In the end it's the consumers who take the hit, perhaps move on to other devices etc, damn it this is bad.
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I understand that the US govt. would be easily able to look up any info on any global citizen, regardless of their jurisdiction, possibly triggers mass spying.
This would definitely invoke ban in China and Russia on all Apple products in less than a second.
Other countries, allies of US or not would definitely soon follow suit.
I for one definitely know even Indian govt. may oppose the move publicly, but in a closed door meet would definitely ask for permission to use that back-door access at will for themselves, this will be same for numerous countries as well.
In the end it's the consumers who take the hit, perhaps move on to other devices etc, damn it this is bad.
/rant + anxiety
For a moment let's not think of any side being a villain or anything... Now i'm no coder/developer, but couldn't Apple create a new iOS for use on phones confiscated from KNOWN terrorists or criminals? Couldn't apple create the new version of iOS as an update that decrypts just that phone? I understand the need for privacy, but can't Apple simply create one version of iOS that helps law enforcement (and still have all other iphones using the encrypted iOS software.) Like couldn't they just lock the software onto a drive and store it in a vault only to be used on individual phones that come from a known criminals?
Is this a viable option at all?
I agree the government needs to stay out of Apple, Google, Facebook, etc.... but would creating a separate iOS specifically for phones being used by criminals be all that bad? Again the software would only be downloaded to the one device, it would NOT be sent to every other iphone... therefore iOS 8 to 9.2.1 and on would still be encrypted. As Apple would only be isntalling the (iOS 9.2.FBI) version on one phone (no internet, completely secure room, they wouldn't be making a backdoor to iOS, only a new iOS for specific criminal phones.)
Kal.
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Is this a viable option at all?
I agree the government needs to stay out of Apple, Google, Facebook, etc.... but would creating a separate iOS specifically for phones being used by criminals be all that bad? Again the software would only be downloaded to the one device, it would NOT be sent to every other iphone... therefore iOS 8 to 9.2.1 and on would still be encrypted. As Apple would only be isntalling the (iOS 9.2.FBI) version on one phone (no internet, completely secure room, they wouldn't be making a backdoor to iOS, only a new iOS for specific criminal phones.)
Kal.
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I was thinking this exact thing. lol
couch my assWell....I'm not surprised that twitter bug and Faceless book would join Apple -cough- promotions -cough- i meant...to fight against evil.. Facebook "Yeah..we support apple with security." -presses a button that states "alert to FBI."
Our "rogue" government has become the exact opposite of what the founding fathers envisioned. ”He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.”...Benjamin Franklin.
The battle lines are private individuals/tech corporations vs those who claim to be OUR government, but who are just bought and paid for shills of the global elite banksters. They are NOT representing US.
How many times are the people going to fall for the "fear" tactics used by those who have hijacked our government to advance their agenda of incremental control?
No slippery slope here folks...move along.
The battle lines are private individuals/tech corporations vs those who claim to be OUR government, but who are just bought and paid for shills of the global elite banksters. They are NOT representing US.
How many times are the people going to fall for the "fear" tactics used by those who have hijacked our government to advance their agenda of incremental control?
No slippery slope here folks...move along.
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Once the US government has the necessary tools, you can bet that every US-enemy government will want the same tools. Now what would the excuse be when the headlines read "Chinese hackers infiltrate millions of US iPhones, gaining access to heaps of sensitive data, including data about US government covert operations that could endanger peoples' lives. Critics cite lack of proper encryption".
The involvement of Twitface et al just shows how hugely overimportant they imagine themselves to be.
Both Facebook and Twitter today joined the ranks of a growing number of tech companies announcing support for Apple's decision to oppose a government order that would require it to weaken the security of its iOS devices. The FBI is demanding Apple create a version of iOS that would let it crack the passcode on the iPhone 5c used by San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook, something Apple has called a "dangerous precedent."
In a tweet shared this afternoon, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey thanked Tim Cook for his leadership and said the company stands with Apple. In the tweet, Dorsey also links to Cook's strongly worded open letter that calls the FBI's software request "too dangerous to create."
Facebook announced its support through a statement shared with USA Today, which says the company will "fight aggressively" against government requirements to weaken security. Facebook says the FBI's demands "would create a chilling precedent."The dispute between Apple and the FBI centers around the FBI's request for a new version of iOS that would disable certain passcode security features on the shooter's iPhone 5c. The FBI has made three demands of Apple, which are as follows:
1. Eliminate the auto-erase function that wipes an iPhone if the wrong passcode is entered 10 times.
2. Eliminate the delay that locks the FBI out of the iPhone if the wrong passcode is entered too many times in a row.
3. Implement a method that would allow the FBI to electronically enter a passcode using software.
While the government has suggested the software tool will be used to unlock only the device in question, Apple and other technology companies believe that it sets a precedent that could lead to similar unlocking requests in the future or a general demand to weaken overall encryption for electronic devices. Tim Cook has called the FBI's demands an "overreach" by the U.S. government that would "undermine the very freedoms and liberty our government is meant to protect."Apple has gained a number of backers over the course of the last few days. Google CEO Sundar Pichai previously announced support for Apple, calling the FBI's request a "troubling precedent" in a statement released yesterday. Apple also has the support of WhatsApp CEO Jan Koum and several advocacy groups, including the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Fight for the Future, and the American Civil Liberties Union. Apple customers have created petitions and are attending rallies held in support of Apple's willingness to fight for privacy protections.
Update: In related news, Apple has received additional time to respond to the court order levied against it earlier this week. The judge who ordered Apple to help the FBI break into the iPhone had given the company 5 days to oppose the order, which has now been extended to February 26. Apple is planning to fight the court order.
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People must understand that security costs each of us something. None are excluded. If we can close off an avenue of information to our enemies at such a small cost to ourselves we should be glad to offer it. Not rocket to the moral stratosphere with the fanciful delusion that iphones or any phone are the crucial keystone of civil rights and that there lurks a dastardly government just waiting to eavesdrop on every conversation we have for purposes too infamous to mention. Just get over yourselves and join us in the real world and realise you have responsibilities to your country.
The credibility of Apple hangs in the balance. They should not be whinging about their own selfish, profit motivated concerns and stop manifesting their ever present ability to cash in on free publicity based on an apparent solidarity with the 'people". It's all complete tosh. Apple only cares about Apple and will use any means to further that aim.
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Im with Apple on this one, cause the government will abuse this functionality. Lets see how much Tim fights this, so far he has said a lot, now I hope he digs his heels in and takes this right to the top, he has plenty $$ for legal costs.
And Apple is the owner of the software which I think is why they will loose and part of me wants them to so they will transfer ownership of the SW when a phone is bought.
Just saying: The demand for "an electronic method" to try the passcode is pure laziness. If Apple could and did reduce the phone to a state where an unlimited number of passcode attempts is possible, all the FBI has to do is get an intern to try 10,000 passcodes. There is no reason whatsoever why Apple would have to help with that.
Had to quote you because this is about the best analogy I've ever heard. Excellent. We could also add that the government itself asked Apple and others to give their customers a way to make lost or stolen phones unusable. Apple can't really create software that would distinguish between a phone that was pulled out of my pocket by a thief, and a phone that was pulled out of a dead terrorist's pocket by an FBI agent.
Had to quote you because this is about the best analogy I've ever heard. Excellent. We could also add that the government itself asked Apple and others to give their customers a way to make lost or stolen phones unusable. Apple can't really create software that would distinguish between a phone that was pulled out of my pocket by a thief, and a phone that was pulled out of a dead terrorist's pocket by an FBI agent.
That's a ridiculous proposition. It would never happen; that's way too long to be a headline
There is no reason why a terrorist would keep information that harms him on multiple phones. Especially on a works phone, which he doesn't own and which he might be asked to hand other to his employer at any time. Just like people with a porn addiction usually have a squeaky clean works phone. Since he destroyed two phones and a hard drive, it's unlikely that he "forgot" his works phone, more likely that there is no useful information on it.
It was reported that iCloud Backup was turned off at some point.
The terrorists win when you give in to them and change what you are doing because of them. The "Shoe bomber" (aka the worlds ugliest terrorist) didn't kill anyone, but he is responsible for billions of shoes being taken off and put on again at airports. If he ever comes out of jail I'll find him, punch him in his face, take his shoes off, smash them in his face and throw them in the nearest river. His bomb didn't go on, but that terrorist WON.
Thank you Mr. Cook for not letting the terrorists win.
America is the most regulate country in the Western World. 911 would not have happen if the TSA had done their job.
It's not Apples fault Amerce officials had been warned of these two terrorists and didn't act so it's their fault people got killed just like the TSA coursed 911.
i love living in New Zealand the true land of the free.
It's not Apples fault Amerce officials had been warned of these two terrorists and didn't act so it's their fault people got killed just like the TSA coursed 911.
i love living in New Zealand the true land of the free.