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I downloaded the Facebook "update" to take a look. I see they decided to take advantage of the larger screen by making the text smaller for some reason. But the part I hate the most, and the reason I use Safari for Facebook now, is that the first post at the very top of my News Feed is from Monday afternoon and it is now Wednesday afternoon. Simple chronological order cannot seriously be too much to ask for. Is this the Twilight Zone or something? Are we all insane for wanting to see our News Feed in order and Zuck is the sane one?
Use the Most Recent feed for that.
 
One of my most hated apps, although I usually use it on Android.

Why the hell do they insist on doing things like burying things like Most Recent under multiple clicks instead of just letting it be the default like earlier versions? It's like a clown show over there.

Just don't use the app...

It caches everything you view so you end up with a 300-600MB app that is pretty much useless anyway.

It is a power drain. I would check Facebook through the app and have the app running about 15-20 minutes total for any given 24 hour period (I scan through updates one time a day). After that short usage the Facebook app would be in the top two under "battery usage".

If you use the mobile website or force desktop you get your messages back, it uses about 1/2 the battery power for me, and the top/recent button is right up there at the top just a click away.

I agree... It is totally a clown show over there. Run by lunatics, with idiots working under the clowns....
 
I downloaded the Facebook "update" to take a look. I see they decided to take advantage of the larger screen by making the text smaller for some reason. But the part I hate the most, and the reason I use Safari for Facebook now, is that the first post at the very top of my News Feed is from Monday afternoon and it is now Wednesday afternoon. Simple chronological order cannot seriously be too much to ask for. Is this the Twilight Zone or something? Are we all insane for wanting to see our News Feed in order and Zuck is the sane one?

Yeah, he just laughs in the face of the users. After all- users are not the customer. They are the product.

Facebook has some very shady stuff going on with that they'll show a user. It's manipulative.

Would be nice if when scrolling down the page, new stuff wouldn't randomly show up. Makes it really difficult to scroll down to where you thought an old post was only to see other random crap.

I only use it to see posts from news agencies, myself. No friends. No real name, no pictures, nothing. Zuck can suck (it)
 
Just don't use the app...

It caches everything you view so you end up with a 300-600MB app that is pretty much useless anyway.

It is a power drain. I would check Facebook through the app and have the app running about 15-20 minutes total for any given 24 hour period (I scan through updates one time a day). After that short usage the Facebook app would be in the top two under "battery usage".

If you use the mobile website or force desktop you get your messages back, it uses about 1/2 the battery power for me, and the top/recent button is right up there at the top just a click away.

I agree... It is totally a clown show over there. Run by lunatics, with idiots working under the clowns....
The app doesn't really use much battery depending on what's enabled or disabled in it (like location services or background update). The Most Recent feed is basically two taps away, which is pretty much similar to the web site. The Messenger app does its job and works just fine. Seems like it's mostly down to some personal experiences/preferences really in the end.
 
Although sometime it seems difficult, I avoid both youtube and facebook.

For youtube, I could forgive them for being part of the goggle empire, but I cannot forgive them for still using flash for their videos. the fact that I have to switch to ipad mode in Safari on my Mac so that it does not use Flash is stupid. Flash is dead, move on. I know that on the iPhone and iPad it defaults to HTML, but until they fix it on the Mac, I will continue to avoid.

For facebook, I avoid since they bought instagram and changed their policy to owning even my pictures and being able to do anything with them. I know they updated their policy but not enough.

And both of course try to sell me all ad companies, which I hate.

And the benifit is that I spend a lot less time watching stupid cat videos or reading stupid posts about cat videos.
 
The problem with that is it reverts to Top Stories every time you open the app.
It goes back to the News Feed basically when the app has to be loaded fresh, and the default sorting for the News Feed is basically by Top Stories. It will remember where you are while the app is still loaded in the memory. It would certainly be better if the News Feed still had the option to select Top Stories or Most Recent sorting and remembered it across sessions. But with that not being the case for a while now the Most Recent feed is two taps away basically.

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Really Facebook? No landscape mode on my 5, 5" display?
Yeah, not sure why that hasn't been in the app for some time and hasn't been made available already especially with the larger phones.
 
It goes back to the News Feed basically when the app has to be loaded fresh, and the default sorting for the News Feed is basically by Top Stories. It will remember where you are while the app is still loaded in the memory. It would certainly be better if the News Feed still had the option to select Top Stories or Most Recent sorting and remembered it across sessions. But with that not being the case for a while now the Most Recent feed is two taps away basically.

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Two unnecessary taps. It's basic arrogance on Facebook's part. They are trying to force what they think we want to see on us. They should read the reviews because a lot of people complain about that.
 
Two unnecessary taps. It's basic arrogance on Facebook's part. They are trying to force what they think we want to see on us. They should read the reviews because a lot of people complain about that.
It's not ignorance, it's what they want you to see in their product. It's been like that for a long time, where most recent hasn't really been the default sort and often didn't stick around as the selected one at least after some time.
 
Why can't we listen to YouTube in the background? I'm gonna stick with McTube... Much more enjoyable to use. no optimization yet for the 6+ but I'll gladly deal with it simply for the ability to listen in the background
 
It's not ignorance, it's what they want you to see in their product. It's been like that for a long time, where most recent hasn't really been the default sort and often didn't stick around as the selected one at least after some time.

I didn't say it was ignorance, although they are clearly ignorant to what users want. What I said is that it is arrogance on their part to believe they are showing us what we want to see. The fact that they changed that part of the app a while ago certainly doesn't make it any better. Facebook's app has always been an example of something that can't get out of its own way. Just keep it simple, that is all we want. In fact, I would bet if they surveyed x amount of casual Facebook users and asked if they wanted their News Feed to be in chronological order or in an order based on some blah blah blah algorithm the large majority would choose chronological. But let's face it, it's much easier to pepper a News Feed with ads when chronology is not apparent.
 
Now if Google can just add:

Google Drive, Google+, Sheets, Docs, & Slideshow.
 
I didn't say it was ignorance, although they are clearly ignorant to what users want. What I said is that it is arrogance on their part to believe they are showing us what we want to see. The fact that they changed that part of the app a while ago certainly doesn't make it any better. Facebook's app has always been an example of something that can't get out of its own way. Just keep it simple, that is all we want. In fact, I would bet if they surveyed x amount of casual Facebook users and asked if they wanted their News Feed to be in chronological order or in an order based on some blah blah blah algorithm the large majority would choose chronological. But let's face it, it's much easier to pepper a News Feed with ads when chronology is not apparent.
Sorry misread the arrogance for ignorance. Well, it's their product so they can make it whichever way they want to really even if the users might want something else--it's up to them then to use it or use something else basically. (And I'm all for having those options of course as I use it all that way too, but I also understand that it is what it is basically and they offer a service and a product and it's up to me to use it or not use it or use it in a different way if I can and want to.)
 
Reviews will come in no matter what, especially for an app as widely used as Facebook. And really it doesn't matter to them how good or bad the reviews are ultimately as people will either get the app because they need it or want it or they won't, with reviews often not playing that much of a role for that many people (at least on a percentage level) when it comes to a largely used app like Facebook.

It does have an effect. Just like any sort of public perception. How much of an impact that is can neither you or I confirm.
 
The Most Recent feed is basically two taps away

At least on the android version I have to scroll way down in a menu to get to it. And after many actions it goes to the Top Stories feed again, and hitting the back button exits the app instead of going back to MR. And then when I go to MR again, it's back at the top instead of where I left off. AND the basic stuff like the tabs for notifications and other things aren't at the top of the MR feed.

I can't really see how anyone would defend how it works now, it's awful for anyone who uses Most Recent. Huge step down from just setting a preference and having the feed be MR automatically.

The website remembers my setting for TS/MR. Or worst case, I can bookmark the most recent feed specifically.
 
I downloaded the Facebook "update" to take a look. I see they decided to take advantage of the larger screen by making the text smaller for some reason. But the part I hate the most, and the reason I use Safari for Facebook now, is that the first post at the very top of my News Feed is from Monday afternoon and it is now Wednesday afternoon. Simple chronological order cannot seriously be too much to ask for. Is this the Twilight Zone or something? Are we all insane for wanting to see our News Feed in order and Zuck is the sane one?
I can't stand to look at facebook on a desktop web browser anymore after using it almost exclusively on the iPad and iPhone for a few years. Facebook on a browser just looks sloppy and disorganized.

My news feed sometimes glitches out and shows me really old posts, but it's usually on the ball with new posts. You can also, easily, switch it to the "Most Recent" view by going to More -> Most Recent.
 
At least on the android version I have to scroll way down in a menu to get to it. And after many actions it goes to the Top Stories feed again, and hitting the back button exits the app instead of going back to MR. And then when I go to MR again, it's back at the top instead of where I left off. AND the basic stuff like the tabs for notifications and other things aren't at the top of the MR feed.

I can't really see how anyone would defend how it works now, it's awful for anyone who uses Most Recent. Huge step down from just setting a preference and having the feed be MR automatically.

The website remembers my setting for TS/MR. Or worst case, I can bookmark the most recent feed specifically.
I'm not defending it, just saying that at least in the iOS version of the app (since that's basically what's being discussed here) it's something that's two taps away. Of course it's not better than having it as a preference and one that is remembered, but it's been quite a while since it was a preference and even then it wasn't always one that would be remembered--it would still be better if that was the case, but it's not really new that it works this way or that Facebook does things their way or that although it's certainly not as good (and certainly could be faster/better) it's still not a huge hassle either to get to the Most Recent feed.
 
Happy with both of the new apps, smaller text looks much nicer than the scaled appearance before on both, looks much cleaner and professional.
 
I actually liked the larger text in the previous version. I wish they would make an option of sorts on the app to have it big like the old one, or small like the new one. As well as implement an option to have the USER choose what feed they want displayed by default, ya know, like most recent posts.
 
Anyone else having issues with youtube on iPad mini in landscape orientation?

The sidebar with recommended etc., is way too wide and leaves little room for the videos pane.

I submitted feedback already.
 

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Full disclosure: I'm Facebook employee on the Release Engineering team.

Release notes are a contentious topic. While some people would very much like us to describe every one of the thousands of changes that go into our mobile applications each and every release, the plain fact is that is just impossible.

Many changes are under the hood for performance and bug fixes. Many changes are trivial (moved button X over Y pixels). I know you're probably not looking for that level of detail (some are though). You're probably most concerned with "what are the new features in the app that I may want to check out?". That is equally hard to spell out into release notes.

Then just list the major features that have a major impact on users. There's been a few Facebook updates since the iPhone 6 came out, with no indication prior to downloading the application as to which one was improving support for the iPhone 6 and 6+.

Bugs and minor UI enhancements can be easily summarised as "fixed a number of bugs, implemented performance improvements and made user interface tweaks to improve end user experience". Most users probably don't care that button X moved to position Y, but knowing you've optimised an application for a new device is nice to know in advance.

I'm sure if smaller companies can keep up to date release notes, that Facebook with all it's resources would have minimal issue getting a translator to update 200 words once a month per a supported language. I imagine you have those resources on hand to handle press releases and marketing distributed to the press as well as Facebook users via embedded ads within the application already.

Many websites when they issue layout changes and implement major new functions would make an effort to inform users be it via a blog post, email, news announcement or forum topic. Generally most sites want to encourage users to make use of new functionality. For staged rollouts just mention that it is a staged rollout to set expectations.

In any event, it's nice to see the iPhone 6+ being fully supported.
 
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