What we really want to see is how much money Facebook has earned from each individual based on viewing ads, buying sponsored products and services, and selling that user’s information to third parties. Put those numbers alongside the numbers from Google and Apple. While they’re at it, please put in some other interesting metrics like revenue per relationship and revenue earned even after a person closes their Facebook account.
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I never used Facebook, nor had a Facebook account, not even a fake one, but for now…
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend”
…Apple is acting anticompetitive, and is not better at all. Apple even have access to more private customer data, I just throw in “iCloud Backup scraping(which includes contacts, messages, phone calls metadata, many other Apps data)”, “soon CSAM” and probably much more undiscovered yet.
I’m for a law that enforces security and privacy audits by legal authorities (just like diplomats but with term based technical backgrounds), also with direct local access to all data and source code if needed, for companies with a user base higher than X(tbd).
It’s the only way to get companies like Facebook, Google, Apple & Co. under control. With the possibility that findings leads to high fines or even jail.
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend”
…Apple is acting anticompetitive, and is not better at all. Apple even have access to more private customer data, I just throw in “iCloud Backup scraping(which includes contacts, messages, phone calls metadata, many other Apps data)”, “soon CSAM” and probably much more undiscovered yet.
I’m for a law that enforces security and privacy audits by legal authorities (just like diplomats but with term based technical backgrounds), also with direct local access to all data and source code if needed, for companies with a user base higher than X(tbd).
It’s the only way to get companies like Facebook, Google, Apple & Co. under control. With the possibility that findings leads to high fines or even jail.
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No, they will just leave a larger crater when they do fall.
EDIT: I don't believe in 'too big to fail'. I do believe in 'too large to be redirected', but eventually their board will change as the stench increases, and investors can be made to see the futility of 'steady as she goes' corporate management. They get tired of minefields and get tired of corporate management that keeps shooting the company in the foot, as eventually that shooting tends to move farther up the leg, and occasionally blows off corporate body parts investors value. Facebook management is likely going to get even more erratic, and that will tick off corporate boards too. I think Facebook can be saved, but Zuck, and his entrenched abusers will have to go. Hopefully the 'profit over all' focus will be toned down to a less toxic level, but the danger will still be there for the next management team, who seeks more profit, bigger bonuses, the light of Wall Street, and the spotlight of media/etc attention.
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I’m sure in Facebook‘s terms for these ‘content creators’ they want full access to data from their ‘subscribers’.
I don't see that happening though. Facebooks problem was when they became a public company. They are obligated to come up with more and more ways to make more money. And when they do, it will never be enough. So they will come up with even more daft ideas and schemes to make more cash. But people carry on using their services regardless, so it's win-win for them.
As an example the huge public outcry over WhatsApp's intrusive privacy changes lasted all of 10 seconds. Now it's even more popular than it was during the height of the outrage.
Already started the slow walk away from their products. Time to pace it up a bit.
Let me get this straight. Content creators, who create content for Facebook/Mettah, have to secure their income directly from their audience, AND Facebook intends to take a cut of that come 2023??? Why dont they simply offer to pay their content creators that are enriching their platform? So their argument here is that the big bad guy, Apple wants to STEAL an unfair amount of money for providing services and an audience, and yet they are the good guys because they aren't charging artists right now, just later, even though, in this scenario, the Facebook platform is enriched by the content and Apple's ecosystem is not. If Facebooks ecosystem is valuable, is not Apples? "Why pay the tax man when you can live in my country, and I won't charge taxes....right now...I will later, but dont worry about that. Also, bring as many people as you can to my country, we like their money. Isn't supporting artists so good of us???"
If all it takes is the most money then Apple would win, they have way more than Meta.
I think your latter point is correct, though whether Zuckerberg can make Apple feel any hurt remains to be seen. Personally, I think there is too much stink on Facebook at this point for them to regain any credibility.
Facebook is saying that if subscribers use the promotional link rather than the IAP option, then the creator gets 100% of the revenue. They seem to be trying to bait Apple into denying this functionality so they can say Apple is hurting the little guy; that Apple, not Facebook, is the Goliath to the creators' David. The talking points and justifications for the 30% fee are the weakest link in Apple's public relations messaging, and so Zuckerberg is trying to exploit that to Facebooks advantage. It's an attempt to drag another company's image down to their level because their's is irreparably damaged. I won't be surprised if Facebook soon targets other companies as well.
Note, I'm not calling them Meta. The whole name change is a cynical, transparent, and arrogant PR stunt to disassociate the company from the harm its core components cause. It's the same crap Google tried to pull with 'Alphabet,' but most of us, thankfully, still call them Google.
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I really would like this as well. Unfortunately, Facebook is a juggernaut. I suspect Apple will lose too much support if they do this
I hope Apple bills it to Facebook directly. Let’s see if they are willing to foot the bill.
We are the ZuckerBorgs. Your biographical distinctiveness will be added to our database. Your personal info will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
I seem to recall the courts ruling that even if developers were able to redirect users out of the App Store, Apple would still be justified in getting their 30% cut from them.
My guess is that Apple likely won’t bother going after smaller developers (ie: those already enrolled in their small developer programme), since the costs of auditing their receipts isn’t worth the money, and it just risks further souring relations with them.
The real issue is with the bigger developers where Apple stands to lose more money. In such a scenario, I think Apple would be justified in getting them to sign revised agreements stating that Apple would still be obligated to their 30% cut even on purchases made outside the App Store, if the user was redirected from within the app.
Since most of the money comes from freemium games anyways, Id don’t see them garnering too much sympathy from anyone else.
Either way, your move, Apple. Your move.
My guess is that Apple likely won’t bother going after smaller developers (ie: those already enrolled in their small developer programme), since the costs of auditing their receipts isn’t worth the money, and it just risks further souring relations with them.
The real issue is with the bigger developers where Apple stands to lose more money. In such a scenario, I think Apple would be justified in getting them to sign revised agreements stating that Apple would still be obligated to their 30% cut even on purchases made outside the App Store, if the user was redirected from within the app.
Since most of the money comes from freemium games anyways, Id don’t see them garnering too much sympathy from anyone else.
Either way, your move, Apple. Your move.
True.
What is even a bit more alarming is all these hacking groups going after corporations with a claim of doing some good for everyone yet I don’t recall FaceBook and others being attacked heavily.
full ransom ware, prolonged denial of service attacks, I doubt this has happened to FB has it?
FYI I deleted my account and purged data years ago along with the right sycophants that I thought were decent people as kids. Never cared to look back.
