Facebook, Google and Other Silicon Valley Companies Side with Samsung in Patent Case

[Gaspode67]

It's threads like these that make me remember why some people should not be let near a keyboard until they learn to be objective.

 

[imajez]

precicely. Modern tech patents are abusing a system that generally was not intended for such purposes.

Patents were built for the methodology for completing an action. Not the completion of an action.

An Analogy of how broken it is:
Action: Hammering a nail into something.
Method: a device, with long handle, with a heavy hard shaped end, in shape of an anvil that can translate force into impact.

In non-tech patents, the Action is NOT patentable. The METHOD is.


in Tech Patents, its opposite. Sometime in the past, the courts deemed, for some inexplicable reason, you couldn't patent code. So, in the end, patents get awarded to the ACTION instead.

"swipe to unlock" is the action itself. its equivalent to driving a nail into wood. there are many ways to accomplish this action. Therefore, if you can accomplish this, without using the same METHOD as the other person, you should still be allowed to.

Could you imagine the inventor of the hammer, stopping everyone else and suing them for inventing some other way of putting a nail into wood? That sounds ludicrous doesn't it? we'd have no advanced hammers, we'd have no automated or power driven nail guns. the whole industry would likely have stopped because, the ACTION itself was patented and only one company could do it.

That is equivalent of what is happening here. For Example: The "Swipe to unlock" patent is actually worded as "the action of moving one defined object on a display to another region of the display to unlock"

Now there have been proven to be multiple ways of implementing such, that are all uniquely different from eachother. Moving an unlock picture out of a circle, moving a pattern around the screen in an unlock pattern. Moving the entire display upwards to unlock. These all technically fall under the same action of "swipe to unlock" but achieve this method in entirely different ways, with entirely different code.

It's a patent on the wrong part of an activity, and the Patent office is the biggest problem in all this for allowing such patents in the first place.

Thank you posting that as it explains the craziness of the system quite nicely and saves me having to do the same as I was asked above as to why patents are not working anymore. Not to mention there's patenting things that should be protected under copyright too.

 

[imajez]

In stead of perpetuating this discussion with pointless examples (there is a difference between getting inspiration from 60 year old devices than direct copying) you could have also just commented what you just posted.

It's only a matter of minutes until someone posts the old cellphones before and after the iPhone comparisons again.

Pointless as it undermines fanbois hypocritical points of view?

 

[peterdevries]

They should implement some functionality in this board that automatically bans each user after posting the word "fanboy" or any of its iterations more than 5 times.

 

[LordVic]

They should implement some functionality in this board that automatically bans each user after posting the word "fanboy" or any of its iterations more than 5 times.

Fanboy? Fanboi? FahnBoy? FanBuoy? Samescum?

(not calling you, trying to think of some ways )

the board rules are a little wonky at times. You're allowed being as stupid as you want. Saying the most inane stupid **** with no basis in fact or reality... But you're not allowed calling someone out for it.

hence why a couple sections are very toxic at times.

Seriously. I had to ignore someone who outright said "numbers aren't facts, their opinions, phablets are a failure, THATS A FACT"

its like... what? how do you even respond to such moronic nonsense.

 

[gotluck]

Really? I have been looking at building a PC for weeks and their prices are almost always one of the lowest. Typically when they are higher it's because the item is coming from another seller, kinda the way stores can sell through Amazon.

I am curious, where do you shop online for parts?

No I have no idea why he is saying that, newegg often times has the best price but not always.

He probably never buys parts.

 

[peterdevries]

Fanboy? Fanboi? FahnBoy? FanBuoy? Samescum?

(not calling you, trying to think of some ways )

the board rules are a little wonky at times. You're allowed being as stupid as you want. Saying the most inane stupid **** with no basis in fact or reality... But you're not allowed calling someone out for it.

hence why a couple sections are very toxic at times.

Seriously. I had to ignore someone who outright said "numbers aren't facts, their opinions, phablets are a failure, THATS A FACT"

its like... what? how do you even respond to such moronic nonsense.

I respond by clicking the ignore button. My ignore list is becoming quite crowded. Some people here insist on insulting and baseless discussion.

 

[LordVic]

I respond by clicking the ignore button. My ignore list is becoming quite crowded. Some people here insist on insulting and baseless discussion.

I love the new ignore feature! Ive already got like 20 people on it.

 

[MH01]

They should implement some functionality in this board that automatically bans each user after posting the word "fanboy" or any of its iterations more than 5 times.

I'm down for that, though at the same time, I would like to see a system that identifies blatant ***boys, and after 10 posts bans them. Deal?

Imagine that, a thread where people can have objective discussions

 

[dingdong]

So they should be.

 

[LordVic]

I'm down for that, though at the same time, I would like to see a system that identifies blatant ***boys, and after 10 posts bans them. Deal?

Imagine that, a thread where people can have objective discussions

yeah, but infortunately, after a report I made yesterday, I was told "moron" is not a valid rule violation

 

[Lankyman]

Funny because I'm sure Apple spend more on R&D than any of these companies. Hence the innovation and why they are trying to protect the effort they made to innovate.

If you call innovation copying then yes it would stifle it.

The amount one spends does not translate to innovation. Quaint thought but it doesn't hold water. A quick search of industrial history will teach you that.

 

[perkedel]

I've used them all for my needs, including Apple. They're all just corporations, so we all know what this means.
These statements about companies though.. well I just want to say the apple koolaid brainwash is definitely industrial grade strength on this user.

Oh look, a bunch of criminals whose products all borrowed from apple one way or the other are banding together to portray apple as the evil one.

Let's see these companies' contributions:

Google: favours samsung because without sammy, android is nothing.
Dell: A dying pc company trying to get as much exposure as possible
HP: A company known for making Mac knockoffs
Ebay: A company that specializes in selling cheap chinese knockoffs
Newegg: A company that sells overpriced PC parts that caters to basement-dwelling windows fanboys.
Facebook: Still sour over their epic failure Facebook phone

 

[Gaspode67]

I love the new ignore feature! Ive already got like 20 people on it.

I'm going to have to start using that myself! There's only so many pages of drivel that you can scroll through...

I'm down for that, though at the same time, I would like to see a system that identifies blatant ***boys, and after 10 posts bans them. Deal?

But what would that mean for poor old Tim/Dumastudetto????

 

[kcirtap00]

I'm tired of Mark Zuckerberg acting like he's any kind of tech visionary. The man who's product was stolen from the Winklevoss twins which in turn was stolen from myspace. Its no surprise that he backs a company that steals intellectual property.

 

[AFEPPL]

Apple need to stop throwing the dummy out of the pram.
It's not like Apple are whiter than white.. What goes around...

 

[Woyzeck]

Funny because I'm sure Apple spend more on R&D than any of these companies. Hence the innovation and why they are trying to protect the effort they made to innovate.

Sorry to disappoint you here. Apple's R&D expenses are way below Microsoft's, Samsung's and Intel's, simply because they mostly do industrial design and let others do frontier research, materials etc. Apple's strategy is to buy these products and integrate them.

 

[Will do good]

I don't know why people waste there energy getting heated over stuff like this in the comments. Being a "loyal Apple fan" (fanboy) gets you literally nowhere. It's not like you're going to be seeing any of that 500 million Apple is about to get. Instead they're going to go ahead and make another underwhelming, last year look alike phone with probably 3 new features (iPhone 6s) and charge you even more for it. Apple is not listening to you. Apple does not care. You are literally just another dollar in their pocket, another statistic on some graph, and another fanboy wasting their life getting mad over things that will literally not affect you at all.

It's not about being a Apple fan boy, as a creative person that earn a living coming up with new ideas for my clients, I can't stand thief's and rip-offs. because it does effect me personally. Companies that steals like Samsung is something that I could not live with or will ever buy their products again. I care about being an original. I care about integrity.

 

[bbeagle]

Samsung had an "iPhone" looking phone out before the iPhone.

Why do

I love Apple products. But they deserve this. Time to get of the high horse and go innovate a bit more.
Cause this is ridiculous. You don't see car companies and others yelling this way.

Yes, they do. You're just not following closely. The press doesn't report non-Apple lawsuits. There were dozens against Ford just this year. Here's just one article. There are hundreds of articles about

http://www.autonews.com/article/201...trolls-target-automakers-and-ford-pushes-back

http://www.autonews.com/article/201...wiring-supplier-over-conspiracy-to-fix-prices

Look yourself. Apple only 'seems' to be in court a lot, because that's what the press reports on. If you're the most valuable company in the world, of course you'll be reported on.

 

[bladerunner2000]

Newegg: A company that sells overpriced PC parts that caters to basement-dwelling windows fanboys.
Facebook: Still sour over their epic failure Facebook phone

The second part is true, but what is cheaper than Newegg for computer parts?

I bought my Hackintosh parts off Newegg. I'm a homeowner.

Care you elaborate with that ridiculous statement?

 

[Thunderhawks]

I don't understand why anybody would allow for the court to be influenced, let alone judges reading
any of it.How does that make this case neutral?
Especially when they all have connections to the product segment of smartphones.

 

[Saucesome2000]

All companies that are in competition against Apple, who is their number one competitor? You don't say?

 

[bladerunner2000]

National traitors. Facebook, Google et al. should be prosecuted.

Time to boycott the scums. MacRumors, if you have adverts from Newegg, I'll close my forum account and never peak on your website ever again.

I HAD IT!

I hate samsung even more now. If this goes through, Facebook & Google can kiss my ass and I'll cancel my Facebook account and will not use google anymore.

Oh look, a bunch of criminals whose products all borrowed from apple one way or the other are banding together to portray apple as the evil one.

Let's see these companies' contributions:

Google: favours samsung because without sammy, android is nothing.
Dell: A dying pc company trying to get as much exposure as possible
HP: A company known for making Mac knockoffs
Ebay: A company that specializes in selling cheap chinese knockoffs
Newegg: A company that sells overpriced PC parts that caters to basement-dwelling windows fanboys.
Facebook: Still sour over their epic failure Facebook phone

I placed this note in the eBay feedback page:

Just to let you know that I am seriously considering canceling my account with you since you filed a briefing with the court against Apple. Your actions are very wrong headed in the business environment. Your corporation is base out of the US and you're siding with a foreign company that is doing serious harm to a company based in the US. I wonder if I should report you to the NSA, FBI, CIA, and others. Do you have products for sale that harm US citizens from terrorist organizations? I may send an inquiry to the California State Attorney General for your actions.

I hate them all and will not buy any of their products.

Go Apple and take them all down.

It's not all about price as you should understand.

Facebook, Google and Samsung are scum of the earth.

The CEOs of Google and Samsung, in particular, should be thrashed in public and put in stocks to be humiliated for the despicable theft they have perpetrated and encouraged.

Anyone who defends these companies is defending wickedness.

Jesus christ....

Why do you guys get so psychotically outraged and emotional over another device? The existence of Android doesn't make your iPhone any less of an iPhone.

 

[imajez]

They should implement some functionality in this board that automatically bans each user after posting the word "fanboy" or any of its iterations more than 5 times.

Why? The word is accurate and to the point when used describe people who defend Apple regardless. Just because you do not like the term does not mean it should not be used.
I use Apple products day in day for work and leisure. However I'll not defend them just because it's the product I use. I support Apple if it does the right thing and criticise them when they do not, same goes for every company out there. All this tribal nonsense over product brands is well nonsense, possibly one of the most absurd First World Problem out there.

 

[SirCheese]

I placed this note in the eBay feedback page:

Just to let you know that I am seriously considering canceling my account with you since you filed a briefing with the court against Apple. Your actions are very wrong headed in the business environment. Your corporation is base out of the US and you're siding with a foreign company that is doing serious harm to a company based in the US. I wonder if I should report you to the NSA, FBI, CIA, and others. Do you have products for sale that harm US citizens from terrorist organizations? I may send an inquiry to the California State Attorney General for your actions.

Seriously harmed Apple? Grow up.