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Can we please stop this nonsense? This is a discussion from 2006 and we will not get to any other conclusion that all designer have inspirations and all these companies mimic design aspects from each other.
A point still valid as it demonstrates to fanbois that Apple, like every almost other company takes from others.
Very rarely does a company come out with something genuinely completely original such as the invention of the mouse of a graphical user interface and Apple isn't one of them. What Apple certainly is the best at, is polishing other's ideas and then marketing them exceptionally well.
 
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Interesting that these companies feel that stealing others patented ideas DOES NOT stifle innovation, but protecting these ideas in court, DOES. What they are should really be arguing is not that Samsung didn't infringe patents (they did) but that PATENT LAW itself is broken (which it also is). However, that doesn't mean that Samsung should't owe damages (they should, because they broken current law as it stands). If Google, et. al want to reform the patent system for future cases more power to them.
 
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While I might agree with the second part of your post, (deleted in quote). Apple is using the jailbreak community for their R&D on software. I'm hard pressed for tears over this, or any software patent honestly. It's just rearranging words.

The original iPhone OS was nice. Ever since then they have been "stealing" from the jailbreak community to add services to the iPhone. I haven't seen any actual software innovation besides "handoff". It's all jailbreak copies added to iOS.

Disagreeing with me is fine, but please research it.
Don't be silly, they took ideas from Android as well and the flat look came from Windows. ;)
 
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The companies argue that the court ordering Samsung to turn over profits would lead to stifled innovation.

Funny because I'm sure Apple spend more on R&D than any of these companies. Hence the innovation and why they are trying to protect the effort they made to innovate.

If you call innovation copying then yes it would stifle it.
 
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I'm not sure if the responses in this thread are funny or just scary. As if one of these companies ripped a child from your arms. This is a legal battle and, of course, interested parties would argue on the behalf of the side they have interest in. The entire case, at this point, should be thrown out. It's wasting court time and the true beneficiaries are the lawyers anyway.

Several posters here need to really prioritize what's important in their life. Because if this "battle" causes such intense emotions....
 
No I and others are pointing out that Apple is hypocritical in accusing others of copying when they have a long standing tradition of doing it themselves. The date thing is a red herring as I've seen quite a few things appear on Macs long after they appeared in Windows or on PCs. In fact I only moved over to Macs after they had taken enough of the good ideas from other companies to make the switch worthwhile.
I notice you conveniently ignored my post with Steve Jobs saying in a video interview "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas".
Apple isn't merely accusing people of "copying" dude.

I can't remember the correct term for it, but the difference between the Braun situation and the Samsung situation is that Samsung is wholesale ripping Apple off and that can confuse customers.

Samsung blatantly and obviously ripped a CURRENT popular product off. It's leeching off someone elses success which is not what Apple did with the iPod. Jony has said a million times Rams was his inspiration and even the calculator for the iPhone was a direct homage to Rams.

That's the difference and why your comparison is not valid.

And the video is old and out of context. Let's look at the iPod for example.

Before the iPod, there were MP3 players - but they were all crap. They all used flash memory and only had 64-128 MB (as in MEGAbytes) of memory, had no intuitive software, crap battery life (most used AA batteries), and just horrible interfaces. And the hard drive ones were even worse - they were a brick to carry. Seriously no one knew how to use them, they were basically a worthless gimmick.

A good artist would have simply copied what was done before. Apple could have just released an MP3 player called the "Musicon 5500" with no intuitive software (meaning doesn't work seamlessly with iTunes), double A batteries, and either a huge laptop-sized 5GB hard drive or a laughable size of 256MB. They could have done that. "50 songs in your pocket!" lol

Instead a great artist would invent the click wheel (Phil Schiller's idea) in order to make navigating through 1,000 songs a breeze, license a 1.8inch hard drive from Toshiba for the hard drive (thus the iPod is no bigger than a deck of cards), and have it work SEAMLESSLY with iTunes. It was perfect.

Everyone was so obsessed with specs, hard drive space, extra features (like radio and voice recording) back then they didn't realize what was needed to make a successful MP3 player. The world needed a digital Walkman: something that fits in your pocket, works great and easy to use, and has the features you DO want (earphones for example). That's why Apple succeeded while Sony, Creative, RIO, etc. etc. failed miserably. Notice in the iPod marketing it's "1,000 songs in your pocket" and not "5 GB of storage." Pure genius.

It was the same thing with tablets. The Windows XP tablets were so obsessed with being laptop replacements that they (Microsoft and PC manufacturers) didn't understand what a tablet should have been. The Windows XP tablets had crap battery life, too expensive (like $2,000 no lie), used a crummy stylus, crap internet/wireless connections, used full on Windows XP and were HUGE. Apple could have just released a tablet with a stylus and OS X and call it a day but they decided to innovate. Our fingers are the stylus; iOS' simplicity would be used instead of OS X; it would be thin and sexy; acceptable battery life; decent price point; it would have seamless connection to the internet, etc. etc.

Even today MS is still trying with the stylus. They just don't get it. Whatever.

So while yes, the iPod was not the first to the market it was the first to not be hot garbage and to actually be intuitive and easy to use. I remember the original iPods for Windows came out with this POS software (MusicMatch) but once Apple unleashed iTunes on Windows the iPod truly became a phenomenon.

Does that make sense? It's very confusing and Steve chose his words very poorly, but his point still stands.
 
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What all fanbois miss is that all companies come up with smart ideas which gradually filter through into products made by everyone else. Not everything is or even should be patentable. I'm certainly very in favour of patents, but very against their abuse. Which if the ridiculous nature that is too often the case nowadays had been implemented years back, no-one would be able to turn their Company Y phone on via a button as the idea of a button got patented by Company X.

I'm curious of which patents you are in such strong favor of. About 20 years ago there were patents for the carberator engine that would enable a vehicle to travel 250 miles per gallon. Those patents were bought up quickly by the oil companies, then destroyed or warehoused.

I'm amazed that I never see anyone defending that, but I will see people defend Liquid Metal. Which is nice, but doesn't nearly affect our daily lives.
 
A point still valid as it demonstrates to fanbois that Apple, like every almost other company takes from others.
Very rarely does a company come out with something genuinely completely original such as the invention of the mouse of a graphical user interface and Apple isn't one of them. What Apple certainly is the best at, is polishing other's ideas and then marketing them exceptionally well.

Seriously? Did Apple create a speaker? Compare it to Samsung... Phone to phone look a like..
Check also the time frame.. Samsung release same features after Apple made it successful..

That's bull ****! ..l..
 
Funny because I'm sure Apple spend more on R&D than any of these companies. Hence the innovation and why they are trying to protect the effort they made to innovate.

If you call innovation copying then yes it would stifle it.
Innovation is not simply related to spending. It is related to how talented and smart the people employed are and how they are allowed to work.
I wonder how Apple's fortunes would have progressed had Ives had worked somewhere else. Or indeed how well Ives would have done if elsewhere.
 
I'm curious of which patents you are in such strong favor of. About 20 years ago there were patents for the carberator engine that would enable a vehicle to travel 250 miles per gallon. Those patents were bought up quickly by the oil companies, then destroyed or warehoused.

I'm amazed that I never see anyone defending that, but I will see people defend Liquid Metal. Which is nice, but doesn't nearly affect our daily lives.

You do know that's not real, right?
 
The commentary on any article that has to do with Samsung/Google and Apple is often times more comical than any sitcom on television. The only problem, of course, is that it's 100% more painful when you realize how many stubborn idiots there are in the world.
 
Seriously? Did Apple create a speaker? Compare it to Samsung... Phone to phone look a like..
Check also the time frame.. Samsung release same features after Apple made it successful..

That's bull ****! ..l..
fanbois will be [angry] fanbois it would seem. Missing both the wider and smaller picture it would seem. It doesn't matter where you steal ideas from, it is still stealing.
Also you should look into the concept of form following function. Quite frankly most touch interface phones are going to end up being a slim rectangle with a large screen as that is what the design requires. The variations between them after than will be minor.
I have an HTC touch phone somewhere with the clunky Window CE nicely reskinned by HTC that came out before the iPhone did and yet looks very little different in form to many modern phones. The iPhone included. The design of screen keypad on that for predictive typing was thankfully finally copied in the last iOS update, but sadly iOS still has an inferior touch keypad with separate screens for numbers and punctuation.
 
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All these tech companies better hammer out all their differences before the govnmts regulate them and require all interfaces and software and source code to be passed through and approved them before releasing them to the public.
 
Apple isn't merely accusing people of "copying" dude.

I can't remember the correct term for it, but the difference between the Braun situation and the Samsung situation is that Samsung is wholesale ripping Apple off and that can confuse customers.

Samsung blatantly and obviously ripped a CURRENT popular product off. It's leeching off someone elses success which is not what Apple did with the iPod. Jony has said a million times Rams was his inspiration and even the calculator for the iPhone was a direct homage to Rams.

That's the difference and why your comparison is not valid.

And the video is old and out of context. Let's look at the iPod for example.

Before the iPod, there were MP3 players - but they were all crap. They all used flash memory and only had 64-128 MB (as in MEGAbytes) of memory, had no intuitive software, crap battery life (most used AA batteries), and just horrible interfaces. And the hard drive ones were even worse - they were a brick to carry. Seriously no one knew how to use them, they were basically a worthless gimmick.

A good artist would have simply copied what was done before. Apple could have just released an MP3 player called the "Musicon 5500" with no intuitive software (meaning doesn't work seamlessly with iTunes), double A batteries, and either a huge laptop-sized 5GB hard drive or a laughable size of 256MB. They could have done that. "50 songs in your pocket!" lol

Instead a great artist would invent the click wheel (Phil Schiller's idea) in order to make navigating through 1,000 songs a breeze, license a 1.8inch hard drive from Toshiba for the hard drive (thus the iPod is no bigger than a deck of cards), and have it work SEAMLESSLY with iTunes. It was perfect.

Everyone was so obsessed with specs, hard drive space, extra features (like radio and voice recording) back then they didn't realize what was needed to make a successful MP3 player. The world needed a digital Walkman: something that fits in your pocket, works great and easy to use, and has the features you DO want (earphones for example). That's why Apple succeeded while Sony, Creative, RIO, etc. etc. failed miserably. Notice in the iPod marketing it's "1,000 songs in your pocket" and not "5 GB of storage." Pure genius.

It was the same thing with tablets. The Windows XP tablets were so obsessed with being laptop replacements that they (Microsoft and PC manufacturers) didn't understand what a tablet should have been. The Windows XP tablets had crap battery life, too expensive (like $2,000 no lie), used a crummy stylus, crap internet/wireless connections, used full on Windows XP and were HUGE. Apple could have just released a tablet with a stylus and OS X and call it a day but they decided to innovate. Our fingers are the stylus; iOS' simplicity would be used instead of OS X; it would be thin and sexy; acceptable battery life; decent price point; it would have seamless connection to the internet, etc. etc.

Even today MS is still trying with the stylus. They just don't get it. Whatever.

So while yes, the iPod was not the first to the market it was the first to not be hot garbage and to actually be intuitive and easy to use. I remember the original iPods for Windows came out with this POS software (MusicMatch) but once Apple unleashed iTunes on Windows the iPod truly became a phenomenon.

Does that make sense? It's very confusing and Steve chose his words very poorly, but his point still stands.

Im glad the new site can post your previous is a shortened version. I tried to cut and paste on an iPad, however whoa the work.

I'd disagree between Apple and Braun. I think Jonny got rich off studying that design. Actually he did.

Also, Apple did use previous designs on their iPod hardware. Once I learn to link I'll demonstrate, but just Google for now.

Saying the MP3 players were a brick to carry before, and not including Apples just shows that you didn't use one. I always purchased the highest capacity. Something Apple is not becoming known for now. Didn't find it particularly heavy though. You must remember that previously we were carrying Walkmans, with cassets back then. (Did see that in your post but apparently you didn't use them)

Never heard of the term of "played that song out"? Yea with cassets, you destroyed your medium. So you ruined it after you played it so many times.

You are clearly a young reader who researched, but not correctly.

As far as tablets go, I'm typing this on an iPad, but I think the surface will win overall. When Steve introduced the iPad I thought it would change the industry. The OS didn't follow. So it's lost now.
 
A point still valid as it demonstrates to fanbois that Apple, like every almost other company takes from others.
Very rarely does a company come out with something genuinely completely original such as the invention of the mouse of a graphical user interface and Apple isn't one of them. What Apple certainly is the best at, is polishing other's ideas and then marketing them exceptionally well.

In stead of perpetuating this discussion with pointless examples (there is a difference between getting inspiration from 60 year old devices than direct copying) you could have also just commented what you just posted.

It's only a matter of minutes until someone posts the old cellphones before and after the iPhone comparisons again.
 
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I don't know why people waste there energy getting heated over stuff like this in the comments. Being a "loyal Apple fan" (fanboy) gets you literally nowhere. It's not like you're going to be seeing any of that 500 million Apple is about to get. Instead they're going to go ahead and make another underwhelming, last year look alike phone with probably 3 new features (iPhone 6s) and charge you even more for it. Apple is not listening to you. Apple does not care. You are literally just another dollar in their pocket, another statistic on some graph, and another fanboy wasting their life getting mad over things that will literally not affect you at all. :)


Instead of calling people fanboys and totally missing the point, you should do some homework. Samsung have done this to too many companies. Copy, get sued, countersue on frivolous claims, lose, stall, appeal, stall, appeal again, all while continuing to profit from others work. Ever wonder what happened to Pioneers LCD TV department? They had to close down. Samsung copied them at their most successful period, Pioneer sued, samescum countersued on a spurious proposition, by the end of the process, Pioneer lost market share to samescum and ended closing down their television factories, putting hundreds out of work. Samsung finally settled for a few hundred million, but they won total market dominance, which was the original plan. Thats why people get all hot under the collar, and you should be too. Samsung have done this to dozens of their partners, as well as running cartels on LCD screens, flash drives, RAM chips, HDD's and CRT screens. Not the way any corporation should be running a business. God, they've even ripped off Dyson technology and are in court with them too. How many more must there be before it stops? They bit off more than they could chew picking on Apple.
 
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The better question isn't R&D spending in total, it's R&D spending per product.
Apple has few enough products that you could list them all from memory. In mobile alone Samsung has 99 jazillion different models to build.
 
"If allowed to stand, that decision will lead to absurd results and have a devastating impact on companies, including [the briefing draftees], who spend billions of dollars annually on research and development for complex technologies and their components."

Well, that is the exact point of the ruling. Its supposed to have a devastating impact on those companies that choose to steal others intellectual property and then benefit to the tune of billions of dollars. The fact is, they didnt spend billions on research and development. They spent about $600 to buy a Iphone, then copy it. They have however spent millions defending themselves,accusing Apple of stealing, asking for another trial when they lost, asking for yet another trial after they lost again because the court was somehow biased against them, and on and on.
And these are the people that Facebook, Google, eBay, HP, Dell and other Silicon Valley companies are siding with? Disgusting.

Yes! Because this country and corporations operate purely on greed for the mighty dollar. These companies don't care what is ethically the right thing to do, that doesn't buy the CEO a new Mercedes or a new yacht.

All these companies siding with Samsung are 2nd rate companies who figure if they band together they might finally overthrow the king, no matter how ruthless they need to be to do it.

Only thing we can do in turn is screw over their profits for doing it. They're trying to screw over Apple, so we band together and screw them over. They can't make money if no one is buying their products.
 
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I placed this note in the eBay feedback page:

Just to let you know that I am seriously considering canceling my account with you since you filed a briefing with the court against Apple. Your actions are very wrong headed in the business environment. Your corporation is base out of the US and you're siding with a foreign company that is doing serious harm to a company based in the US. I wonder if I should report you to the NSA, FBI, CIA, and others. Do you have products for sale that harm US citizens from terrorist organizations? I may send an inquiry to the California State Attorney General for your actions.

Not sure it you are trolling or serious... If serious, your message is probably being passed around at eBay and making someone's day.
 
So if you ever make a gold phone, or a phone made of glass and or aluminum, you're a copycat. If you make a plastic phone, you're a cheap company that can't make crap (figure of speech because if you're a cheap company you probably can and do make crap). I'm confused as to how any company but Apple is supposed to make anything and not get completely slammed for it


It is not mere coincidence that others end up making their phones look like iPhones. Stop being an apologist for thieves.
 
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