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The whole idea of facebook was to connect with your friends. Does Mark Zuckerberg feel we don't have enough friends anymore that we need chatbots to chat too. This contradicts the original premise he invented facebook for in the first place.
If you're publicly traded, you grow or you die. Would Apple still have a PC business if they'd stayed with that original and exclusive premise? Possibly not.
 
there used to be times where it would take me like an hour to read my newsfeed. nowadays all i see is random posts being liked by other people or its just their stupid algo hiding stuff from me. who knows.
 
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OK, so I can send a message to 1-800-Flowers? What? why? Is this like a central chat hub for all companies? Instead of going on BestBuy.com and finding the chat button, I would chat via Facebook? Why?
 
If you're publicly traded, you grow or you die. Would Apple still have a PC business if they'd stayed with that original and exclusive premise? Possibly not.
Remember you're dealing with a group where some regularly quote a man who's been dead for nearly 5 years. There aren't many companies that only doing what they did in the past. History's littered with companies that didn't have the foresight to adapt to changing times.
 
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If you're publicly traded, you grow or you die. Would Apple still have a PC business if they'd stayed with that original and exclusive premise? Possibly not.
Apple still make PCs though. They have moved on to mobile PCs (called iPhones and iPads). Apple has not moved from it's original premise though (making computers). Apple has evolved on it's original premise. Facebook is doing something totally the opposite of it's original premise now though. Not evolving like Apple did.

See the difference? That's why I said what I said. Apple is not making anti-PCs now. Facebook is making ways to not have to connect with your friends (or even have any friends).
 
Apple still make PCs though. They have moved on to mobile PCs (called iPhones and iPads). Apple has not moved from it's original premise though (making computers). Apple has evolved on it's original premise. Facebook is doing something totally the opposite of it's original premise now though. Not evolving like Apple did.

See the difference? That's why I said what I said. Apple is not making anti-PCs now. Facebook is making ways to not have to connect with your friends (or even have any friends).
This literally makes no sense. Facebook is still a place for people to connect with their friends. They haven't moved away from that premise. Just like Apple, they added additional functionality to their offering. How does adding chat bots that connect to companies affect people's ability to connect with friends?
 
Ugh, seeing the WhatsApp logo there makes me want to delete it right away.

Agreed. I had completely forgotten about that.

The issue I have is that I have to make a difficult decision: enjoy the convenience of engaging with my peers on the world's most popular social platforms (which are almost exclusively owned by Facebook) whilst surrendering a large degree of sovereignty over my personal information, or becoming a digital hermit merely because I don't buy into Zuckerberg's "everything should be transparent/privacy is dead" philosophy.

It's a tough choice--and from a business perspective, I get it. I can take it or leave it. And, generally, I take it--because the convenience of using FB's services as information sharing platforms is convincing. But it doesn't mean I have to like the tradeoff of my personal information being commoditised.
 
This literally makes no sense. Facebook is still a place for people to connect with their friends. They haven't moved away from that premise. Just like Apple, they added additional functionality to their offering. How does adding chat bots that connect to companies affect people's ability to connect with friends?
Thisl literally makes no sense to you. Sure this is only a feature. But it's totally the opposite of their (facebook's) core business model. Apple's additions over the years were never the opposite to Apple core business model (the Apple clones being the exception).
 
OK, so I can send a message to 1-800-Flowers? What? why? Is this like a central chat hub for all companies? Instead of going on BestBuy.com and finding the chat button, I would chat via Facebook? Why?
Walled garden? Facebook wants to be the new AOL?
 
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Okay, I give up.

Why does every MR member hate Facebook?

Because Facebook is evil and forces you to waste your life away looking at phone screen while stealing all of your voluntarily given information and pictures of your class reunions. AND it slightly drains your battery life in the background. AND it requires a separate app to use the messaging feature, which is just too much effort.

Also, there are rumors that the reptilians may or may not be using Facebook to keep tabs on the human race, if my sources at AboveTopSecret are reliable. Watch yourself.
 
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Okay, I give up.

Why does every MR member hate Facebook?

Because it's very popular nowadays to view oneself as the "outsider voice" or one of the few people smart enough to resist this tech intrusion into daily life.

The hilarious thing is that the ones who really are outsiders and resist it are not on the Internet to brag about it. Anyone who thinks they're a rebel against all this technology because they refuse to have a Facebook account or won't download Facebook's latest app is deeply, irrevocably delusional.

Really want to be a rebel? Toss your PC out the windows, cut the Internet cable and bury your cell phone in the backyard. Then you can beat your chest and lead your legions of Luddites into battle.

Until then, I wish they would spare the rest of us the attitude.
 
Thisl literally makes no sense to you. Sure this is only a feature. But it's totally the opposite of their (facebook's) core business model. Apple's additions over the years were never the opposite to Apple core business model (the Apple clones being the exception).
Respectfully, it shouldn't make sense to you either. Please read what you wrote. Facebook's premise is to connect people. Originally it was just friends. It's still connects friends. It expanded to not only connect friends, but people in general. It further expanded to connect people and businesses. At it's core it's still a place for people to connect (primarily about bs, but that's what friends do). Not sure how you don't see nothing has changed there. Adding services doesn't change their core.

To be fair, maybe I'm missing something. How exactly have they moved from their core premise? While I'm asking, how does selling iPods and Phones not veer from the core of selling PC's? I'm not saying Apple veered from their core (the idea makes no sense regardless who are what it's applied to), but I'm curious how you think one company did and the other didn't.
 
What does this have to do with Apple? It isn't even a competitor's product, FFS.

Anyway who cares, I refuse to download a separate app just for messaging, what a stupid idea.
They are copying a wildly successful model in China (Wechat) where people spend most of their time in the app doing things that we do across several apps (imagine Uber, PayPal, Open Table, Amazon, and more all together). In China, the choice of iOS or Android is less important because their experience is what goes on inside the app. it may not seem like much now but down the road...who knows what it might grow into. I'm not a FB user but what they're trying to do is interesting.
 
Agreed. I had completely forgotten about that.

The issue I have is that I have to make a difficult decision: enjoy the convenience of engaging with my peers on the world's most popular social platforms (which are almost exclusively owned by Facebook) whilst surrendering a large degree of sovereignty over my personal information, or becoming a digital hermit merely because I don't buy into Zuckerberg's "everything should be transparent/privacy is dead" philosophy.

It's a tough choice--and from a business perspective, I get it. I can take it or leave it. And, generally, I take it--because the convenience of using FB's services as information sharing platforms is convincing. But it doesn't mean I have to like the tradeoff of my personal information being commoditised.

I wondered about this as well. I went the other way though - I don't have a need to be a part of the Facebook community. I look at it this way: The people that can't stay connected without Facebook are not significant enough to stay connected with. If I compromise on my views to 'keep friends', do I still possess the same qualities that led to said friendships in the first place?
 
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Yahoo be seeing all this and be like :(

Yahoo use to be seeing all this... They come and they go. As of now, I don't see FB having the staying power. It'll be like MySpace or Yahoo. And to prove my point, that's why they are diversifying like crazy.
 
Okay, I give up.

Why does every MR member hate Facebook?

Because it's not Apple
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The whole idea of facebook was to connect with your friends. Does Mark Zuckerberg feel we don't have enough friends anymore that we need chatbots to chat too. This contradicts the original premise he invented facebook for in the first place.

The iPod, Apple TV, iTunes and Apps store, Apple's streaming music service, Apple Watch wristbands, etc aren't personal computers. This contradicts the original premise of why Apple was created, which was to develop and sell personal computers.

Change. Innovate. Adapt. Keep business alive.

Don't and you lose relevance and die.
 
Please explain how connecting to a chatbot is connecting people? The last time I checked, a chatbot was not a person.
Connecting to a chat bot is not connecting to people. In none of my quotes did I ever imply such a thing. As a matter of fact, I pointed out this was an ancillary connection: "It further expanded to connect people and businesses." What you seem to fail to grasp is nothing in this situation is binary. FB implementing chat bots doesn't stop their primary activity of connecting people. Your quotes seem as if you think the chat bots have become FB's primary focus. No one is that obtuse. The bots are a new implementation that may fail spectacularly and the vast majority of FBer's probably wouldn't even know because they're busy doing the primary function of FB; connecting. If they suddenly said "The only connection point on FB is through chat bots", then you might have a valid argument. FB is primarily what it has always been; an internet party line with pictures of food and babies... ugly little babies.

See how I answered the question from your quote? Novel isn't it?;) Now you try:

To be fair, maybe I'm missing something. How exactly have they moved from their core premise? While I'm asking, how does selling iPods and Phones not veer from the core of selling PC's? I'm not saying Apple veered from their core (the idea makes no sense regardless who are what it's applied to), but I'm curious how you think one company did and the other didn't.
 
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