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iOS 14's App Tracking Transparency feature, which allows users to opt-out of being tracked via an on-screen prompt, is believed to be central to Facebook's case. Facebook alleges that the prompts are unfair because they do not appear for Apple's own apps, offering it a competitive advantage. However, Apple's apps do not track users or share data for advertising purposes, so this seems to be a bemusing foundation for the lawsuit.
Self-own, ouch
 
This will be on a whole another level.
Not sure many of you realize what kind of investors and money Facebook has.
This will go down to lobbying, political influence and etc.
 
Why do people still use facebook?

Because everybody has it. I believe that this is the beginning of the end for FB as we know it now. I have several friends that have deleted the app as I have. I know right, if I deleted it then it must fail. But I am hearing others say the same thing and look at the comments in this thread. FB has a serious image problem.

In addition I sold my entire position of FB this morning. I waited for the little 5% pop and quit right there. When Zuckerberg proclaims Apple has become his biggest competitor i am finished. Mark Benioff had it right when he said FB is the new smoking.

It’s still massively popular in places like Thailand where the general public are not educated enough to care about privacy concerns. Increasingly people in such places are being monitored by oppressive regimes if not outright juntas. FB will be the messenger of the third world, until they wake up as well.

I am glad to be done with that company it is a stock i really didn’t like owning. Google is similar but i can’t quit it just yet.
 
Why do people still use facebook?

I would love to kick FB to the curb like I've done with Twitter. Unfortunately, there are some things that FB provides that seem to be fairly challenging to replicate.

- Connection with non-immediate family
- Connection with long time friends from school, jobs, etc. that I'd otherwise lose complete touch with
- Neighborhood group for awareness, free items, notices, etc.
- A few other interest groups.

I've tried a few other platforms and it seems pretty hopeless that I could encourage all the people I connect with in the categories above to move to some other platform. Its not worth the effort.

I have turned off nearly every "follow" and hide nearly every ad source that pops up. I no longer get any news updates on it by having only a small number of "follows" for specific friends, family, and groups. I have a lot of connections and if I want to see what people have been up to I can go check them.

So I've greatly changed my usage of FB over the last few months, but don't really want to lose those few things it provides me yet and don't see any viable alternative.
 
Gee, didn't any o'them lie-ers edumacate that Zucker-F*&^ker? Anti-trust is an action agin' them unruly corpses what ain't playin' fairly by 'the rules' them revenuers made. ;) Thoses revenuers ain't a goin' at Apple, so ah reckin' ol Zuck'll be a done in by his own foolishness, stupid is,as stupid does!
 
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Zuckerberg just got lucky when Facebook grew into a major platform for social discourse. The nerdy computer kid is not some wise sage. Facebook wasn’t the result of strategy and planning and foresight. And Zuckerberg wasn’t destined for greatness no matter what path he chose in life. He just had a little programming project that caught him by surprise when it went big. Now he tries to pretend he has sage advice and opinion on matters of global importance in business and politics.

Does anybody really think he’s smart, and his opinion counts? He should follow the example of a real genius, Steve Wozniak, and not be the face of Company he started.
 
I welcome this effort !

At a MIN, it will very-likely force Apple to Open Up the Books !
Not based on anything in this case, the things being alleged would not require that at all.
For one, as an App Dev, I believe Apple should be required (by Law) to report the "per-Category App Store Revenue Numbers" to the General Public at the end of each week !
Why? What would justify that? How would it benefit you as a developer or me as a user?
Just need the numbers for AAPL's Top Five App Stores around the world.
Why? What is the goal?
Hopefully, this gets us at least part of the way there (without a new Law).
Unlikely.
Very specifically, App Devs & AAPL Shareholders should have access to alot more Info than what Tim Cook's AAPL provides !
Again, for what reason?
 
This is hilarious. I hope Apple actually has their ducks in a row. The opt out does say to stop apps tracking through other companies’ apps. Apple certainly does track usage across their own apps to improve the experience. That might be frowned upon as well.
 

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If Facebook put half the effort of its Apple is evil campaign towards cracking down on the daily rampant unchecked deliberate misinformation that spreads on its site like wildfire the world would be a far better place. But now, even at the FB executive level, it looks like misinformation has become a desirable tool so they can’t be relied upon to police their site when they practice the very same thing.
 
Can't wait to see Zuckerberg stating : "Your Honor, we can no longer milk people's personal data, make money without them knowing and not sharing back profits made, so unfair."
They do share the money they take in by providing the service to their users without charge. That does not justify tracking people without their consent, but your framing is incorrect.
100% with Apple on the privacy tracking thingy.
So am I. I have no problem if people choose to be tracked, but it should be an informed choice.
 
"iMessage is the linchpin of Apple's ecosystem." —Mark Zuckerberg, Earth, 2021.

Yeah, ok, Mark. Whatever you say. lol.
 
Facebook will end up like MySpace. Bye bye Facebook
I hope so. The sooner Facebook is irrelevant the better.

It is scary that 1 company owns 4 of the top 6 social media/chat platforms: Facebook, WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, and Instagram. If any company needs to have antitrust brought down on them it is Facebook.

 
Depends on how you read it.
Sharing data for external advertising or using data for internal strategizing can be placed in a similar basket.
Both are fine, as long as they are disclosed and opt in.
They are both used to sell more to the people that had their data extracted and Apple is making sure only their mining operations stay 100% intact.
Facebook wants its tracking to be hidden. Apple only collects anonymous data on an opt-in basis, and does its best to avoid capturing data at all. In most cases, they avoid this for purely financial reasons (if they do not have the data, they cannot be forced to spend money handing to law enforcement - a large expense).
 
Here we go again..the whining continues from Facebook..what’s next? Facebook accuse AppleApp of having the SAME amount of letters?😆
 
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Is there really such a thing as a "default messaging app" on a phone?

Sure iMessage is pre-installed and is also the SMS app for sending phone text messages, but if theoretically Facebook messenger was my "default" app, how would I send text messages? Or message an iMessage user, or a Signal user?

A "default" app allows you to still have full functionality (web browser or mail client) but allows you to choose your provider. I can still browse the whole web whether I choose chrome, safari, or firefox. I can still read my Gmail or any other mail whether I choose Apple's Mail, or Outlook, or Gmail or any other mail client.

But messaging systems are platforms....none of them can be the "default" as they don't interoperate. We need to install each of them.
 
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