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Facebook Runs Second Full-Page Ad Criticizing Apple, Says Opt-In Tracking Will Make the Internet Worse
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I think precedent should be set that we are not selling our IP, if we agree to let someone have it we are licensing it to them with strict terms about how it can be used, for what purposes, and for how long.
Using FaceBook doesn’t stop you from discussing their practices and alternate revenue models.
I use Facebook on my Mac using a profile on the Brave browser, only for FB. I have a pi-hole tracking/ ad filtering device on my network and also use 1Blocker.
When mobile, I access FB from Brave Browser, which is only used for Facebook. I use Lockdown Privacy and 1Blocker on my iPhone/ iPad.
I would be open to the following options:
1) Free access in return for cross site/ app tracking and targeted ads.
2) A monthly subscription for access with zero ads and zero cross site/ app tracking - say $8pm.
3) A 50% reduced monthly subscription, you still see ads and are tracked BUT you are paid 5% of the revenue facebook makes for every time your profile is monetised.
Everybody is a winner.
Honestly, I am getting quite sick of ads on websites. I have 2560x1440 resolution. There are some websites that ONLY have about 500x600 resolution devoted to the content. Everything else is ads. There are many websites I like, but stopped visiting because of the ads. I really wish more websites would act like Macrumors. I would gladly pay for an enhanced account that does not include ads.
I don't use Facebook, which is precisely the whole problem for me, because I am aware that Facebook continues to track me across the websites and apps I use, and build a profile on me, and there is evidently no way of telling Facebook to stop doing this.
So at the end of the day, it seems like Apple is the only company actually offering users an alternative if they want out of being tracked by Google and Facebook, in the form of their own native apps and services (eg: maps / safari supporting DDG / Apple Music / Siri / iMessage etc). 1blocker in safari and lockdown on apps.
I cannot not stop using google services entirely, but I am hoping that I can in the very least impede their ability to collect data on me. But I am dismayed that I still have to go to such an extent, and hope for a day when users don't have to go out of their way just to have better control over their privacy and security.
Macrumors has a high number of trackers on their website, one of which is Facebook...tracking you even if you don’t have a profile.
As the rest of your post proves, this is not true. People don't care about ads or tracking or privacy. People will not pay money for it, regardless of consequence.
What? What’s not true. I pay money for internet I want. Millions already do. More would if it wasn’t so hard. Facebook and google do everything they can to prevent you the customer from paying for content up to and including destroying entire product categories just to make the barrier of entry by competitors as difficult as possible. I think most people accept ads because they don’t know about alternatives or they were effectively removed or they don’t understand their actual cost. I believe the latter is slowly changing.
Exactly.
I’m curious and willing to entertain this idea though... is it really possible that suddenly the internet will become more expensive? Is there any merit on what Facebook says? (Beyond the blatant thirst to claw into users information). Or maybe, MAYBE, the whole thing will clean itself up... maybe there won’t be 45 random apps, but two or three ones so SO good that the $5 entry fee is just behind worthy. Would that be good too?
Free is not free when it has multiple strings attached and creepy people looking in your window taking notes about your thoughts and movements. It’s a very sick and twisted practice that should have a government ban on it.
Yes - that's exactly correct. If your desire for privacy interferes with their need to profit from the data they collect from you, that's a Bad Thing and must be stopped. You, the FB user, are merely product. That's at the root of their business model.
omg, last car I bought didn’t have it on there - I told them if they added it that night during detail I’d walk. I cared that much about “free advertising”. I’ve also sworn to NEVER buy at a dealership here in my area that always put them on crooked. It looks like crap - at least make your free advertising not look like a 2yo put it on. If you care that little about how my car looks, you for sure don’t deserve the free ad.
nice to meet someone that feels the same!
Just wanted to chime in here as another small business owner. I have absolutely no issue with Apple’s stance on this.
I already pay subscription fees/other fees to host my small business with Shopify, Etsy, and others. Never once have I paid for ads- not a cent- and I do just fine.
Ive focused on building my business up completely organically. Of course, a few years ago Facebook altered their algorithm that caused my content I posted to appear on my customers newsfeeds far less- a VERY obvious move to get me to pay for ads.
So as an actual small business owner, I can confidently say “**** you” to Facebook. While I can’t deny that FB has helped my business grow, it certainly wasn’t due to ads and as of late it’s felt that they are actively making it harder for me. They are not some bastion of small businesses, and do not let them trick you into thinking they are.
I already pay subscription fees/other fees to host my small business with Shopify, Etsy, and others. Never once have I paid for ads- not a cent- and I do just fine.
Ive focused on building my business up completely organically. Of course, a few years ago Facebook altered their algorithm that caused my content I posted to appear on my customers newsfeeds far less- a VERY obvious move to get me to pay for ads.
So as an actual small business owner, I can confidently say “**** you” to Facebook. While I can’t deny that FB has helped my business grow, it certainly wasn’t due to ads and as of late it’s felt that they are actively making it harder for me. They are not some bastion of small businesses, and do not let them trick you into thinking they are.
There might be those who could not care less about privacy and oppose the pop-up question as bothering them.
Miscrosoft once pushed the pop-ups too far with windows vista for the general public's taste as well - AFAIK they did it out of (valid) security concerns, yet the average windows user didn't care enough.
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Conversion rates, probably. Facebook probably has data that indicates that targeted ads drive interactions, while contextual ads may not to the same extent. Of course, just because it drives more ad interactions doesn’t make it right to build an in-depth advertising profile, without users‘ (or even non-users’) permissions, in order to sell more stuff to them or to get permission but to deliberately obfuscate just what you collect in order to collect more. Or to collect seemingly innocuous data without revealing just how valuable that seemingly innocuous data is.
The fact that Facebook wasted so much money on ads shows how stupid the company is.
At least Apple is helping out the people by warning of ad tracking. Facebook just wants to control our minds and destroy them like the movie Scanners.
At least Apple is helping out the people by warning of ad tracking. Facebook just wants to control our minds and destroy them like the movie Scanners.
I actually turned off Lockdown, 1Blocker and my Pi-hole to get safari to recognise those trackers ?. I use Brave for it’s individual profiles for Internet Banking, Facebook and Work leaving Safari for my everyday browsing due to it’s speed.
The interesting thing is that Safari picked up 9 trackers and your screenshot shows Brave only picking up 5. Are you behind any other network level blocking? I wonder if Brave is missing some due to Safari’s Intelligent Tracking Protection? Outside of using the profiles that Brave offers (I’d really like this option in Safari), you may actually be better off using Safari due to better anti-tracking, better speed and better battery management when mobile.
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