Analysts are estimating about 7% so not insignificant but not anything that is going to finish the company off.
Lets be honest a most people don't care and even a lot of the ones that do don't care enough to stop using Facebooks apps.
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Facebook's New App Prompt Will Encourage Users to Accept App and Website Tracking
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Analysts are estimating about 7% so not insignificant but not anything that is going to finish the company off.
Lets be honest a most people don't care and even a lot of the ones that do don't care enough to stop using Facebooks apps.
If it’s really only 7% (I don’t buy that) then it’s kinda strange for Facebook to be openly pleading with people to let FB keep tracking them all over the Internet. They appear desperate and scared.
They are a publicly traded company they can't be seen to throw away billions without some form of mitigation. 7% may be conservative but they are going anywhere as a company. ATT only affects iOS users.
lol like rob said, "only 7%" is around 5 billion dollars based on their 2019 revenue.
I think something people don't understand here is a lot of this will hurt a specific type of ad, that's supported by "Facebook audience network". This enables mobile app and game makers to easily monetize by integrating ads in their app, where brands like Nike will happily pay for a spot for, because it can target their desired audience through "Facebook audience network".
For Facebook, they will just invent other ways to monetize, for mobile app and especially mobile game makers, they would have to monetize by either doing a ton of micro transactions or make the apps themselves pay to use, which apple gets a cut in both scenarios. This is what Facebook have been trying to tell people, and arguably doing a pretty poor job at.
Another point people seem to be missing is, apple is actually challenging the open internet under this huge fictitious flag of "privacy". What happens today is that a business you share information with (say you purchased something through) should have the right to use your data to advertise (find more people like you, who might be interested in the products or services they offer). Apple is basically creating a choke point that stops businesses you interact with from doing this. Unless of course, you go through apple.
Only a matter of time before apple charging businesses the same way Facebook does to advertise through their services such as apple news and Apple TV. Wanna read some news for free instead of paying for the subscription? Sure have some "personalized apple ads" while you read news and watch tv
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"offering information about how the company uses personalized ads, which it says "supports small businesses and keep apps free." The company has warned that users who decline to be tracked "will still see ads, but they will be less relevant."
This reminds of that ministry of truth and Newspeak language in 1984 novel🤣
they actually want to convince you personalized ads is good for you 🤣🤣
This sounds like something Kim Jong-Un would say to his people.
they track people who do NOT have a facebook account. Search for "shadow profile"
This reminds of that ministry of truth and Newspeak language in 1984 novel🤣
they actually want to convince you personalized ads is good for you 🤣🤣
This sounds like something Kim Jong-Un would say to his people.
they track people who do NOT have a facebook account. Search for "shadow profile"
HAHA. Exactly..... Their best argument for letting them track you is personalised adds? .. what?
"I don't want to look at ads"
"But.. They are personalised"
Really?
I’ll take Apple limiting tracking or GDPR’s right to be forgotten over your definition of an “open internet” any day of the week. If you consider an open internet one where businesses can do whatever they like with people’s data and users can’t opt out of certain services while still having a limited engagement with a company, then an “open internet” isn’t something we should be aspiring to achieve anyway if what you describe is going to be the outcome.
Another thing is that not all of the data is accurate. I had someone with the same first, middle and last name as mine who lived (and maybe still does) in a state 1000 miles away from me. His bad credit started showing up on my credit record. I didn’t find out for a long time and I found out that there is no requirement for anyone to tell you or correct bad information. I tried to find out what data company X had that was causing me problems and I found out that I have no right to find how or why or where the bad data came from and that the information collected may be about me but I had no rights to access it. There are probably simple tools for finding/viewing files on your own computer but as soon as whatever data is uploaded to a companies data that data belongs to them and there is no law saying that they need to correct errors. And once bad or old or misleading data is entered one place you may have a difficult time purging it from all of the different databases that this data was sold to.
The lawyer would go after the school's leadership or even higher. Just like they have a responsibility for your physical safety within their premises, they have for your privacy as well. Would a school tell you to buy a poorly made product that could potentially explode in your hand and has proven track-record for doing so? No, of course not. Same goes for pushing students to use devices and services that exploit their privacy and personal data. It is absolutely the school's responsibility to vet applications and services before recommending them to their students. In this case it seems like it gives students an ultimatum: you either get to learn and give up your privacy, or you fail the course. Doesn't sound OK to me.
Can't wait for the class-action lawsuit to happen all around the world. The payout to virtually every human would wipe the company off the face of the earth, and the day that will happen I will be so very happy. All those people wasting their lives working for Facebook can finally start working on something more meaningful.
Idk. Suing a school for trying to teach sound gross. Besides, there is no way they put all of this together before the quest 2 was out. Maybe sue Facebook for changing policy.
I agree. Suing should definitely be the last resort but an option nevertheless. I'm not litigious at all, so in a more realistic setting you'd probably go and talk to the leadership of the school and inform them of what's going on and why that is bad for you as a student. Believe it or not, many of those people haven't a clue about these things, they just don't have the information or know what to look for. It would be worth discussing with the teacher as well, as they should know more and pose the question "this is a great course and all, but you're asking me to give up my privacy, what's that about?" and see what they say.
I guess my point is that the way they added VR to the course is good for students and I don't want to discourage them from using it. I want to fix the issue where a company is using its dominance in social media to control a different market.
Indeed. That’s a pain and it points to the fact many of these companies do not responsibly handle data.
Had a look at https://monitor.mozilla.org last year and found my details had been leaked by verifications.io along with 768million other users data. That’s not a company I have ever engaged with or directly shared information with. Instead someone I have dealt with made my information available to them and now my data is exposed due to a breach of a down stream service. There’s precisely nothing I can do and I’m all but certain that while whoever shared the data with verifications.io may have a clause around third party sharing, they almost certainly would not be named explicitly. The only reason I know they had my information is because it leaked.
So yes, maybe some definitions of an open internet may allow companies to do whatever they want with information, but I sure as hell don’t trust them all to handle it responsibly. I’m not going to go offline, but if I can have a switch to minimise what they get from me then I’ll use it. They can still advertise to me using non targeted ads as companies have done for decades.
I doubt all this will hurt Facebook much anyway. I’m sure most people will unfortunately agree to them tracking. Otherwise, they’ll still target ads based on people’s user profile, location when people check in or tags things etc etc.
did you see my post on page 5? As apple is FORCING all developers and app makers on their platform to ASK for permission for data use, they secretly default their TRACKING to be ON ALL THE TIME to collect data for ads.
This includes your location, your activity in all their native apps, and all your phone settings.
Facebook's New App Prompt Will Encourage Users to Accept App and Website Tracking
lol people know apple have their own "dedicated section" at the very bottom of the privacy settings that lets them use YOUR DATA for.... wait for it... ads! too right? oh and in case you are wondering, unlike every other app maker, this is defaulted on, I turned it off myself.
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Please take it and enjoy it like you said.
Would you mind elaborating?
Sure we live in data filled world, but lets step back into the old times before the internet and computers existed. Say I run a ice cream shop, overtime, I notice young adults between the age of 20-25 likes my ice cream the most. Now, as a business, why can't / wouldn't / shouldn't I focus on selling my ice cream to this demographic? Say, by opening stores near colleges with people around this age group, or tell friends and families to come shop here if they have friends or families in this age group.
Are you suggesting I should ignore the behavior and best practices I've learned by running my business, and continue to try and sell my ice cream to people of all ages?... Or are you suggesting there's something wrong with optimizing my business to maximize value between my customers and the product and services I offer?
Oh and just to add to my previous post, let see what other data apple is using for their ads that's ON BY DEFAULT while they force everyone else on their platform to ask for permission to use such data
- your name
- your address
- your age
- device ID
- download, purchases, subscriptions, and even in app purchases
- topics and categories you follow in your news and stock apps
OKAY fanboys, before you go out and "sue schools" for using the Quest to make education more engaging and more interactive, maybe you should think about "suing" the company that's charging you $1000 for a phone AND profiting on all your data without your permission, while forcing every other company on their platform to "ask for permission" and get denied with their privacy campaigns, so they can profit even more by forcing businesses to change their monetization models and getting a cut through the App Store platform.
Go on, I will wait to see how you all can talk yourselves out of this one.
- your name
- your address
- your age
- device ID
- download, purchases, subscriptions, and even in app purchases
- topics and categories you follow in your news and stock apps
OKAY fanboys, before you go out and "sue schools" for using the Quest to make education more engaging and more interactive, maybe you should think about "suing" the company that's charging you $1000 for a phone AND profiting on all your data without your permission, while forcing every other company on their platform to "ask for permission" and get denied with their privacy campaigns, so they can profit even more by forcing businesses to change their monetization models and getting a cut through the App Store platform.
Go on, I will wait to see how you all can talk yourselves out of this one.
The problem comes in how that data was obtained.
Imagine if facebook were a robber that had been stealing from you all this while because you didn’t have a lock to secure your gates with. This doesn’t mean it’s right. It just means that until now, users didn’t have any recourse when it came to securing their data, which in turn allowed Facebook to run rampant.
Now Apple is supplying users with locks to better secure themselves, and Facebook is going “Hey, you can’t do that! How else am I going to steal from them?”
This is what is happening here. Apple is giving users greater control over their data, and facebook and people like yourself are going to have to respect our decision when we say we are not going to share our data with you.
And if it makes your ad targeting less efficient, that’s just the cost of doing business in a manner that is respectful of your user base.
You do realise that’s not comparable at all to what you said in the post I initially replied to, don‘t you?
You quoted me and specifically bolded "a business you share information with (say you purchased something through) should have the right to use your data to advertise" and said that's a screwed point of view.
I demonstrated how a business have been doing this since... the start of capitalism — optimizing their business by offering their products and services to their most engaged audience. How is it not comparable? What do you think advertising does?
Trust me, nobody wants your or my data, nobody cares about what we post on facebook. Businesses just want to use your data (that you shared with them, when you engaged in a transaction of offering money for the service/product they provided to you) to find more people like you to offer products and services to.
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Lol I love how people here selectively responds to my posts. Did you see what I posted right above you? Yea apple is "giving users greater control" by forcing all apps in their platform to ask before tracking, while they default tracking and data use for themselves.
They are TOTALLY respecting your "privacy", what a honorable company ushering us into a whole new world that's more private... /s
I guess the point I'm making isn't that businesses and tech platforms shouldn't give users a choice. My point is that they should treat themselves and others on their platform equally. And not offer users a false sense of "privacy" in the benefit of their own corporate profit.