iPhone XR FaceID - health/studies?

majkom

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did any one read/hear about some scientific study about faceID impacts on health? Do we know it is perfectly save to get eyes bombarded hundreds of times per day by infrared beams?

Any links to studies? Artickes (scientific), etc...
 

littlemidge

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I believe there are no health effects in regards to the IR beams, I read that they are far too low power to do any damage what so ever.

You have to remember, that during the day, the sun is bombarding your eyes with much more powerful and dangerous uv rays.

The IR beams used in Face ID won’t be causing any eye damage or health issues in my opinion. But then again I’m no doctor/scientist :p
 

decafjava

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I think there are more issues regarding OLED screens that a minority but a pretty substantial one, seem to have.
 

C DM

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did any one read/hear about some scientific study about faceID impacts on health? Do we know it is perfectly save to get eyes bombarded hundreds of times per day by infrared beams?

Any links to studies? Artickes (scientific), etc...
Mostly just various previous threads discussing it all.
 
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ghsNick

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I don’t care what anyone says...it can’t be GOOD for your eyes.

I have the gene which puts me at risk for Macular Degeneration, my grandfather has the same trait and he’s legally blind...as much as I loved my X, I downgraded to an 8 Plus.

I feel like the Face ID is bad for my eyes and with the implementation of PWM on the OLED, I was having headaches.
 

OTACORB

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I don’t care what anyone says...it can’t be GOOD for your eyes.

I have the gene which puts me at risk for Macular Degeneration, my grandfather has the same trait and he’s legally blind...as much as I loved my X, I downgraded to an 8 Plus.

I feel like the Face ID is bad for my eyes and with the implementation of PWM on the OLED, I was having headaches.
Yeah that is an overreaction with no evidence to support your conclusion. Nonetheless, you have to do what you feel is best for you. Just saying "I don't care what anyone says it can't be good for your eyes" doesn't make it so.
 

BugeyeSTI

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I don’t care what anyone says...it can’t be GOOD for your eyes.

I have the gene which puts me at risk for Macular Degeneration, my grandfather has the same trait and he’s legally blind...as much as I loved my X, I downgraded to an 8 Plus.

I feel like the Face ID is bad for my eyes and with the implementation of PWM on the OLED, I was having headaches.
Can you please show me any evidence or studies that says IR light is a cause of macular degeneration?
 

now i see it

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Anyone concerned about their eyes shouldn't be using an OLED iPhone. We're all Guinea pigs.
 

ghsNick

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Can you please show me any evidence or studies that says IR light is a cause of macular degeneration?
I didn’t say it causes it...I already have the trait for macular degeneration.

My vision is perfect now, but I’m only in my late 20s...people always say “you get more IR from the sun” which isn’t the most assuring thing when comparing the IR on Face ID.

I’m not saying it’s going to cause people to go blind, I’m just saying it can’t be good for your eyes.

For example, corded headphones are safer than Bluetooth ones...do I think Bluetooth headphones are going to cause brain cancer? No. But I think corded headphones are safer.

Compared to any minimal risks of Face ID, Touch ID is safer. That’s all I’m saying :)
 
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ghsNick

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That maybe what you are saying, but you admit you have zero evidence to support your claim.
The evidence is common sense.

IR in your eyes from Face ID is worse than having no IR in your eyes.

How much worse? Probably very, very miniscule...but it’s still worse than not having it in your eyes at all.
 

OTACORB

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The evidence is common sense.

IR in your eyes from Face ID is worse than having no IR in your eyes.

How much worse? Probably very, very miniscule...but it’s still worse than not having it in your eyes at all.
Total nonsense unless you can provide some real evidence which clearly you cannot do. You even admit it. This topic is done!!
 

Cayden

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There’s really no need for studies. Infrared light has a wavelength of 700 nm to 1 mm while visible light has a wavelength of 390 nm to 700 nm. Because it has a higher wavelength, it has less energy, so it’s less damaging to your cells. While infrared can penetrate your skin more because of the higher wavelength, it still doesn’t have enough energy to do any more damage as visible light. The FaceID scanning puts out significantly less power than the display of the phone, so you’re more likely to get damage from that than FaceID.
 

ghsNick

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Total nonsense unless you can provide some real evidence which clearly you cannot do. You even admit it. This topic is done!!
I’m just a regular guy...Apple should be the one providing evidence to support their claims. Ya know, they are the first trillion dollar company. There’s over 70 pages on MacRumors of people who are complaining about the X/XS/XS Max giving them headaches...is that just made up too?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/eye-strain-while-using-iphone-x.2085427/

Also, I’m sure you think that AirPods aren’t bad for you either. Funny thing, Apple lists RF exposure for all products...except for the AirPods...which are Class 1 BlueTooth. Are you going to call me a liar until I do some more research?

https://www.apple.com/legal/rfexposure/
 

New_Mac_Smell

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So there are no studies...;(
Of course there's studies, these devices are certified safe by your friendly local government - who will conduct or review relevant studies.

As to scientific studies, specifically on FaceID, I highly doubt anyone would receive funding for something so trivial. So no, I don't think you'll find any credible.

Seeing as how IR light is weaker than visible light in the spectrum, and no one tends to develop ill health from opening there eyes, it's deemed safe. UV light is stronger than visible light, and you're exposed to that constantly.

Anyway chill out, use your brain and be confident that a tiny IR light source has zero biological implications to a human* (Snakes can see IR, it'd be like shining a bright light in your face for them...).
 

ghsNick

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It’s funny how so many defend something they have no idea about...yet insist “the sun is worse” for your eyes.

No **** the sun is worse for your eyes...sounds like a pretty terrible way to defend Face ID.

Hopefully your eyes aren’t messed up after using it for 20+ years.
 
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