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It’s funny how so many defend something they have no idea about...yet insist “the sun is worse” for your eyes.

No **** the sun is worse for your eyes...sounds like a pretty terrible way to defend Face ID.

Hopefully your eyes aren’t messed up after using it for 20+ years.

It is not funny when people blame something without facts. Heck you can search the Internet and get facts on both side so we mush use common sense. For you people who thinks it hurts your eyes, do not use it. No one forces you to do so.

It is your choice m
 
It is not funny when people blame something without facts.

It's not supposed to be funny, and I don't think the OP blamed anything. He *asked* if there are any studies.

For you people who thinks it hurts your eyes, do not use it. No one forces you to do so.

Same goes for you too. If you think it doesn't hurt your eyes, go ahead and use it. Nobody is forcing you not to use it. So, what was the point you were trying to make?
 
It's not supposed to be funny, and I don't think the OP blamed anything. He *asked* if there are any studies.



Same goes for you too. If you think it doesn't hurt your eyes, go ahead and use it. Nobody is forcing you not to use it. So, what was the point you were trying to make?

To let every make their own choice, but I am sure you have a problem with that, too!:p
 
To let every make their own choice, but I am sure you have a problem with that, too!:p

Just because someone discusses about something doesn't mean they have a problem with that. Same if they disagree with you, doesn't mean they have a problem with you.
 
The evidence is common sense.

IR in your eyes from Face ID is worse than having no IR in your eyes.

How much worse? Probably very, very miniscule...but it’s still worse than not having it in your eyes at all.


at the end of the day i can go on google and look up _________ is bad for you and i can find thousands of articles supporting that whatever it is that i'm looking for.
 
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Turn off attention awareness and close your eyes when Face ID is activated. That has been my paranoid compromise. And it's as easy as blinking. I do it all day long without thinking about it.
 
Here we go again, are we going to have this discussion for every new face id device ?
Use search people !

YES Your face slowly melts evey time you use Face Id, that is whay it keeps learning everytime you use it o_O


https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ir-dot-projector-harmful.2073460/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...sors-give-harmful-infrared-radiation.2106479/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/any-concerns-with-dot-projector-flooding-eye.2084786/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/face-id-eyes-retina.2073239/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...s-in-your-face-every-time-you-unlock.2083992/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/faceid-health-effects.2074992/
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Turn off attention awareness and close your eyes when Face ID is activated. That has been my paranoid compromise. And it's as easy as blinking. I do it all day long without thinking about it.

Go into the setting and turn of rumors, and turn on Facts :)
 
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I think there are more issues regarding OLED screens that a minority but a pretty substantial one, seem to have.

Aside from the minority who report problems using OLED, a Taiwanese university study found that OLED is better for the eyes than LCD. https://www.cultofmac.com/581646/iphone-xs-max-display-is-scientifically-healthier-for-your-eyes/

Personally I don't worry much about FaceID. We all have so many things we can worry about. If I worry about anything with smartphones and eyesight, it's simply the strain of staring too often and too long into such a tiny rectangle. I know that my eyesight has gotten worse over the last 10 years, but I also know that my experience is not that unusual for someone in his 40's.
 
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Aside from the minority who report problems using OLED, a Taiwanese university study found that OLED is better for the eyes than LCD. https://www.cultofmac.com/581646/iphone-xs-max-display-is-scientifically-healthier-for-your-eyes/

Personally I don't worry much about FaceID. We all have so many things we can worry about. If I worry about anything with smartphones and eyesight, it's simply the strain of staring too often and too long into such a tiny rectangle. I know that my eyesight has gotten worse over the last 10 years, but I also know that my experience is not that unusual for someone in his 40's.
Cool, thanks, not a huge difference though but nice to know.
 
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I can't use the iris scanner on my note 8 because it makes me feel 'funny'. Just one use and I feel a bit spaced out afterwards and therefore don't want to use it regularly. I am interested in coming back to the iphone but face ID concerns me based on how I feel with the iris scanner.

In the case of the Samsung clearly it is directing the IR into the eye so is probably a greater intensity than faceID. But whilst IR is everywhere, faceID must still be more concentrated than background as it has to overcome the surroundings and still work in all conditions (I think it may fail in bright sunlight). Yes closing eyes is an option but not very practical.

I would like to think that faceID spreading the IR over the whole face will not affect my eyes in the same way the iris scanner will but its difficult to know. The fact that the IR scanner effects my eyes at all means that in my case at least, concentrated IR into my eyes is not good for me.
 
I can't use the iris scanner on my note 8 because it makes me feel 'funny'. Just one use and I feel a bit spaced out afterwards and therefore don't want to use it regularly. I am interested in coming back to the iphone but face ID concerns me based on how I feel with the iris scanner.

In the case of the Samsung clearly it is directing the IR into the eye so is probably a greater intensity than faceID. But whilst IR is everywhere, faceID must still be more concentrated than background as it has to overcome the surroundings and still work in all conditions (I think it may fail in bright sunlight). Yes closing eyes is an option but not very practical.

I would like to think that faceID spreading the IR over the whole face will not affect my eyes in the same way the iris scanner will but its difficult to know. The fact that the IR scanner effects my eyes at all means that in my case at least, concentrated IR into my eyes is not good for me.
Ever look at a fire in fireplace or campfire. Did that hurt your eyes, whole lot of infrared. You can’t see infrared. However you can feel it on skin.
 
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I don’t care what anyone says...it can’t be GOOD for your eyes.

I have the gene which puts me at risk for Macular Degeneration, my grandfather has the same trait and he’s legally blind...as much as I loved my X, I downgraded to an 8 Plus.

I feel like the Face ID is bad for my eyes and with the implementation of PWM on the OLED, I was having headaches.

Great attitude towards science. Sounds like nothing will change your mind.
 
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at the end of the day i can go on google and look up _________ is bad for you and i can find thousands of articles supporting that whatever it is that i'm looking for.
Since when has opinion replaced scientific method for discerning fact. I can find thousands of articles saying earth is flat. That does not make it so.

Experiments repeated by pears, critically analyzed, which show same results reveals truth.

Volumes of opinion is less than worthless. After all everyone had opinion sun revolves around the earth. Boy were they wrong.

Opinions are great for matters of taste or politics. Not for facts.
 
Hey can I hijack the thread for just a moment and ask about the Bluetooth studies (if there have been any). What’s the general consensus on Bluetooth exposure? I’ve wondered about this for a couple of reasons; one - because of my Apple Watch, and two - because my grandson sleeps with a monitor on his foot that is connected to an app via Bluetooth.

Just wanna know how paranoid I need to be. ;-p
 
There’s really no need for studies. Infrared light has a wavelength of 700 nm to 1 mm while visible light has a wavelength of 390 nm to 700 nm. Because it has a higher wavelength, it has less energy, so it’s less damaging to your cells. While infrared can penetrate your skin more because of the higher wavelength, it still doesn’t have enough energy to do any more damage as visible light. The FaceID scanning puts out significantly less power than the display of the phone, so you’re more likely to get damage from that than FaceID.
Yeah! Science *******!
 
Hey can I hijack the thread for just a moment and ask about the Bluetooth studies (if there have been any). What’s the general consensus on Bluetooth exposure? I’ve wondered about this for a couple of reasons; one - because of my Apple Watch, and two - because my grandson sleeps with a monitor on his foot that is connected to an app via Bluetooth.

Just wanna know how paranoid I need to be. ;-p

The jury still seems to be out on this one, but it is something that I looked into before I got my first pair of Bluetooth earbuds a while back and then again when I bought Airpods just a couple of weeks ago.

On the one hand, there's the argument that Bluetooth signals are a very weak form of non-ionizing radiation, which means that theoretically they cannot cause any damage to cells. Consumer devices must also adhere to regulations regarding the strength of their radiation output which should, theoretically, ensure that what they emit are well below the levels that could be harmful to humans.

On the other hand, there's the argument that this technology simply hasn't been around long enough for us to be certain of the long term effects. Some argue that frequent exposure to even these weak signals could over years or decades cause damage to cells and even increase the risk of cancer. Some going so far as to suggest that wi-fi and Bluetooth radiation could be this generation's cigarettes. There's not really any evidence to support this, but some argue that such research isn't being properly funded or is outright being suppressed by the wireless telecommunication industry.
 
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