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Jesus, I thought it was no brainer!! A software update is never going to guarantee you get on your older device all the things that you get on the newer more powerful/advanced device. I seriously don't know why you guys have problem on understanding this.

I agree with you, of course. A software update doesn't have to provide all the features of newer hardware. But it has to provide all the features and speed the old hardware already had. Because otherwise it would be stupid and only the stupid people who are easily tricked would update. No ?

Here's your iphone 4, just recently launched. It has 100% speed, facetime and all these other features. Now 2 years later please update to the latest ios. You will have only 80% speed and Notes with gray letters on gray background among other improvements which you might not care for, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE upgrade. Because ...
 
I agree with you, of course. A software update doesn't have to provide all the features of newer hardware. But it has to provide all the features and speed the old hardware already had. Because otherwise it would be stupid and only the stupid people who are easily tricked would update. No ?

Here's your iphone 4, just recently launched. It has 100% speed, facetime and all these other features. Now 2 years later please update to the latest ios. You will have only 80% speed and Notes with gray letters on gray background among other improvements which you might not care for, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE upgrade. Because ...

I get your point and I agree that with the new update you should get at least what you already have! However I miss the PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE part. Every iOS device user us reminded of the update at the settings and now thankfully that reminder can be dismissed if you not interested on the update. I would do my maths first, see what the update is all about and how it's received by others before I breathless rush to hit that update and then whine about colors, design changes, speed, lack of new features etc. And remember that not everyone is that fussy about the speed difference that only a dedicated program is able to detect. Some others are willing to give one or 2 in order to get 5 or 6. We are all different you see.
 
This is Apple's planned obsolescence strategy. They're doing this to get everybody on iOS 7 so old hardware will run painfully slowly and people will have to buy new hardware. Because, you know, Apple doesn't have enough of our money already. And, Apple buyers aren't already loyal enough. Apple is going the way of General Motors... Abusing its own already-loyal fan base by making substandard product, forcing early repurchase. Apple supported PowerPC processors for six years after switching to Intel. That was under Steve Jobs. Under Tim Cook, Apple dumped iOS 6 in six months.

So far, Tim Cook's most novel idea has been to write himself a $300 million check.
 
Haha, all you people mocking those who stayed on iOS 6, as if you think FACETIME will change our minds. You really haven't thought this through. Even if iCloud stopped working, I'd still use it. I'll be using iOS 6 when your iPhones are all dead, thrown away because they can't run iOS 10. You can enjoy your flat design, but it's not for me.
That's why I still run Windows 3.1 on top of DOS. I have 256 colors in my display, suck it hippies.
 
U R Not Alone

Am I the only one that hardly ever uses Facetime? :confused:

I tried out FaceTime when it first came out. It worked great. I would consider using it if I could voice call landlines with it, but have no desire to look at who I'm talking to. Besides, I text everyone. I use 20 minutes of my 700 minute plan every month. All my friends and family that have cell phones have ios devices and phones and we all prefer text.
I don't like the hassle off using VoIP to make land line calls, and the quality blows with skype.
Nope you're not alone.
 
Microsoft gave a free update to Windows 8.1 from Windows 8.

But Windows 8 wasn't. Whereas anyone going back to 10.6 could update to Mavericks for free.

And Android updates aren't really so free when you have a phone that can't be updated so you have to buy a phone to get it.

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All iPads including the iPad Air on iOS 7 stutters and lags. Same goes for the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4S is smooth, but it lags.

Got an iPad 2 and a 3 plus two iPhone 4 in the house, all on iOS 7 since the first week it was release, no stutters or lags of note. So ALL isn't really true.

Same for the almost 50 iPads at the office which are a combo of 3, 4 and Air (mostly the first two)

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Sounds like iOS 6 (except 6.1.6?) and possibly any (jailbroken) iOS 7.0 devices are simply no longer supported...

Given that 6.1.6 and 7.0.6 contained SSL fixes, which affects connecting to servers, yes it is possible that those never updated iOS 6 devices might have issues

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This is Apple's planned obsolescence strategy. They're doing this to get everybody on iOS 7 so old hardware will run painfully slowly and people will have to buy new hardware.

The second most popular conspiracy theory.
 
And Android updates aren't really so free when you have a phone that can't be updated so you have to buy a phone to get it.

Of course Android updates are free. Thats like me saying ios updates are not free because I cant get ios 7 on my iPhone, iPhone 3G or iPhone 3GS. Nor the full features of ios 7 on my iPhone 4 or iPhone 4S.
 
Yep

What's the big deal with updating to iOS 7? If your device supports it update!

People that refuse to upgrade baffle me.

"I want all the security and features that everyone else has" and "I want nothing to change, ever" aren't compatible.

I'd be pissed if I had a new Mac and iPhone, but the tech was held back by people refusing to upgrade their devices.

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Of course Android updates are free. Thats like me saying ios updates are not free because I cant get ios 7 on my iPhone, iPhone 3G or iPhone 3GS. Nor the full features of ios 7 on my iPhone 4 or iPhone 4S.

How old is your phone now? Three years?
 
Am I the only one that hardly ever uses Facetime? :confused:

People are constantly saying this here, but I've yet to hear an explanation why you don't like facetime ? What's the problem ? It's just like skype but starts 5 times faster (probably uses way less memory), by closing the screen you use only audio, so again - why don't you use it ?
 
People that refuse to upgrade baffle me.

Maybe in the future will be a new house building model, perhaps made completely from future designed bio plastic, so it will be cheaper plus other advantages and most everyone around you will update except you. Somehow you are the only one in your area with a preference (ever heard of the word ?) and you decide you like your house better made from wood or stone.
Even though you evaluate the advantages of the plastic houses of the future and while you see the point of some of the improvements, you still decide to keep your current house. At least for a while.

But people will be "baffled" by your decision and will start to whine and whine about your stubbornness to stay with the antiquated house.
 
I find the idea of planned obsolescence amusing. You don't have to plan obsolescence, it just happens.

Over an extended period of time, you're right. New, better things replace old things, and the products that relied on the old things no longer work. It's an inevitability in the tech industry.

But iOS 7 came out, what? 7 months ago? There's no reason for an API incompatibility to arise in that short of an amount of time. Not unless they rewrote the entire thing from scratch to take exclusive advantage of newer hardware (which would be expensive and entirely unnecessary), or...

...they planned it's EOL before rolling out the new OS update. Which would be, yes, planned obsolescence.
 
This is Apple's planned obsolescence strategy. They're doing this to get everybody on iOS 7 so old hardware will run painfully slowly and people will have to buy new hardware. Because, you know, Apple doesn't have enough of our money already. And, Apple buyers aren't already loyal enough. Apple is going the way of General Motors... Abusing its own already-loyal fan base by making substandard product, forcing early repurchase. Apple supported PowerPC processors for six years after switching to Intel. That was under Steve Jobs. Under Tim Cook, Apple dumped iOS 6 in six months.

So far, Tim Cook's most novel idea has been to write himself a $300 million check.

Yep I'm sure this is evil Tim Cooks master plan. :rolleyes:
 
I wasn't aware of that. Yet, that doesn't address my actual point; Why would someone not be running the latest applicable update of whatever OS version they are using?


My reason for still using it on my iPad mini is that I just like it. I know I have to use iOS 7 at some point (in fact i do on my 4s) whether I update on my mini or upgrade to a newer iPad. Either way, there will be no turning back and I will embrace the change. However, I am nostalgic and enjoy the skeomorphism of iOS 6, so I'm milking it for as long as I can. Also, I've played with a few iOS 7 minis at the store and just didn't see features that made me want to toss aside aesthetics in favor of function.

TLDR: I'm happy with it, for now.


Not sure if you STILL didn't get my point, or if you're just trying to make your own separate point.
My question is (inherent in my statement above) "Why would you be running iOS 6, instead of running iOS 6.1.x"??
 
Not sure if you STILL didn't get my point, or if you're just trying to make your own separate point.
My question is (inherent in my statement above) "Why would you be running iOS 6, instead of running iOS 6.1.x"??

No, I misunderstood you. Sorry for the confusion. I always update within week of the release, but I understand why people who have jailbreaks wouldn't. I know some are not updating to 7.1 because of tweaks they don't like, such as the loss of full pic in incoming calls. I'd bet the vast majority of users do the update when they see it or shortly after. Anecdotal evidence for me is people who feel so disappointed by an update that they don't want to "risk another one." Another is sticking to iOS 6 because she thinks it'll be too much work to learn how to use iOS 7. Another person thinks they need a new phone because of software glitches causing erratic behavior. Informed of the need to restore and set up as new, I'm not sure they are going to bother. The reasons are diverse but I think the pool is small.
 
Yep I'm sure this is evil Tim Cooks master plan. :rolleyes:

rough hand tactics like these and many more seem to be what his tenure as ceo is all about. this is something that has been getting worse and worse.

a confident ceo lets the quality of the products retain the customers but instead we get this type of bullying and the regular promises of promising and exciting new releases.
 
rough hand tactics like these and many more seem to be what his tenure as ceo is all about. this is something that has been getting worse and worse.

a confident ceo lets the quality of the products retain the customers but instead we get this type of bullying and the regular promises of promising and exciting new releases.

Bullying? Hyperbole much? :rolleyes:
 
Huh?

Maybe in the future will be a new house building model, perhaps made completely from future designed bio plastic, so it will be cheaper plus other advantages and most everyone around you will update except you. Somehow you are the only one in your area with a preference (ever heard of the word ?) and you decide you like your house better made from wood or stone.
Even though you evaluate the advantages of the plastic houses of the future and while you see the point of some of the improvements, you still decide to keep your current house. At least for a while.

But people will be "baffled" by your decision and will start to whine and whine about your stubbornness to stay with the antiquated house.

My house isn't a consumer electronic. Your comparison is ridiculous.

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7 months if you must know. - Whats that got to do with the price of cheese?

So you bought a phone with technology that was already two years old and you're wondering why all the latest software won't work on it?
 
My house isn't a consumer electronic. Your comparison is ridiculous.

Just as I thought. YOu like to choose and pick only those situations which suits YOU. If others have a problem, you don't care - they should just update and stop talking. But god forbid you should have a problem, all of the sudden "This is a completely different situation, we are talking about a different kind of product, and most importantly now I'M inconvenienced".

But to put it shortly some people accept anything that is given to them without question, because if it's new it must be better, those making the updates cannot fail and you should never question stuff.
While others would like to choose and personalize their stuff and also think that some new things are better, while others are not. As simple as that.
 
Huh?

Just as I thought. YOu like to choose and pick only those situations which suits YOU. If others have a problem, you don't care - they should just update and stop talking. But god forbid you should have a problem, all of the sudden "This is a completely different situation, we are talking about a different kind of product, and most importantly now I'M inconvenienced".

But to put it shortly some people accept anything that is given to them without question, because if it's new it must be better, those making the updates cannot fail and you should never question stuff.
While others would like to choose and personalize their stuff and also think that some new things are better, while others are not. As simple as that.

You compared a house to a consumer electronic.

Try something else, say, a TV or a radio or speakers. Something that's comparable, as I'm pretty sure being forced to "upgrade" your home has a drastically different effect than your phone not working as you'd hoped.

If I had speakers that didn't work well with existing, faster software, I'd either never buy from that company again or just upgrade. That's just the way tech works, sorry if you don't like it.

It has nothing to do with wanting to always have the newest and greatest, but if you can while not creating much waste (I sell my old iPhones to people on Craigslist so they can use them with pre-paid or non-contract phone plans), why the hell not?

I win, the person who bought my phone wins, and the company that makes the products I like win.

I get that you want your tech to last forever or at least as long as you personally deem necessary, but you don't have that control because you didn't make the product, so either stop buying consumer electronics or accept this is how things are and save your energy for more important arguments.

And seriously, a consumer electronic to a house? Really?
 
And seriously, a consumer electronic to a house? Really?

A car, house, bike, TV, what difference does it make ? It was just an example. Trying to show that just because it's new, or some people suddenly like the color pink, doesn't mean that this is the thing to have for everyone.

Would you prefer a watch comparison ? Or maybe a digital watch, there are solar digital watches that had worked without stopping for the last 10 years and they will probably keep working. Should I just throw away that watch and buy a new one just because the company made new ones ? Actually i buy new ones, but of course I keep the old ones as well.

Anyway, your initial statement was "People that refuse to upgrade baffle me."

I'm sure people would upgrade more often if every update would be perfect for everyone. But sometimes updates are known to break things for some people, or completely take out features which maybe you didn't use but other were using. Or sometimes updates can change the interface completely with new shapes, colors which can be prefered by some people and hated by others. You know... if you ask a few people probably each one will prefer a different color.

No one would object to an update which would take nothing out but bring only improvements like battery life, speed increased by 20%, smarter SIRI ..and so on.

Mystery solved :)
 
If and when people upgrade is in my world simple freedom of choice. Personally I typically update but there are and have been reasons to wait or not update. As long as I get notified (in time) of a change, I can at least pro-actively decide what to do.

I guess for me, the main issue is that *if* Apple decided to kill the FT service for older releases, I would assume there would be at least a couple days notice.

Whatever is going on the last 4 days with FT i would consider highly irresponsible of Apple:
- either the service was upgraded and a choice was made to no longer support older iOS/OSX releases
- or the service being killed for older releases is an unexpected side effect of some (planned) service change

Either way, it would be appropriate to pro-actively inform customers.

Clearly that is not being done and that makes it difficult to continue to trust Apple's service offerings.

Not good :mad:
 
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