Since when this is about Mac?
Since when this is about CS
Will you use CS on the iPhone?
So it is good to be an Adobe fanboy and bad to be an fanboy?
He should boycott iPhone Not Mac, you can develop flash content on the Mac and for Macs.
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Fallout From Apple's Exclusion of Flash-to-iPhone Export Continues
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Since when this is about Mac?
Since when this is about CS
Will you use CS on the iPhone?
So it is good to be an Adobe fanboy and bad to be an fanboy?
He should boycott iPhone Not Mac, you can develop flash content on the Mac and for Macs.
Classic...
Apart from that, how long until microsoft, or palm jet off and start the "they're hurting our business, make them stop"...
Okay so Apple is abandoning flash, they have the right to do that it's their hardware... c'mon.
And I'm sick of the flash sites bringing down my equipment to a crawl... ughhh, I'm ready for a flash-less computing experience.
My take on the situation
Apple is at the top when it comes to user experience and wants to provide all of us with the best products (design, integration, features)... Their product are popular and everyone wants to benefit from it (vendors in the 'ecosystem', third-party apps...) and Apple is right when they try to tell developers how it should be after all Apple is the reason why so many developers (including small biz, students in their dorms...) can develop and profit from this.
My problem is that I am not a techie guy and cannot comment on the merits of either solutions (i.e. flash or HTML5) and I have NOT READ in this forum anything about the pros and cons of Flash and HTML5 in a clear, decent and constructive fashion. Mobile is the future and from what i read on Apple Insider, Apple is doing the right thing (see their small article on the matter)...
I like to use Apple products and I have been using them for more than 20 years now... never had major problems, always enjoyed my experiences on their products... I hate to say it but most flash enabled web site were for advertising most of the time and i do not miss not seeing the ad on Safari)... Apple created H.264: why aren't companies willing to develop on Apple product, use the standards Apple recommends on the platform they built? Apple recommends HTML5 (which is an open standard, no?) so why is everyone talking about "proprietary'? Someone in this forum said Steve Jobs had balls... Indeed he has big Cojones... And indeed we benefit every day from his stand on standards, design, user experience... So be it, Adobe: provide Flash and HTML5 and let everyone decide when and how it needs to be implemented. I have the CS4 suite at home (I love InDesign) and before that i had CS3 and before that.... Adobe has great products BUT i do not remember Adobe going public and demonstrating WHY FLASH needs to stay...
Apple is at the top when it comes to user experience and wants to provide all of us with the best products (design, integration, features)... Their product are popular and everyone wants to benefit from it (vendors in the 'ecosystem', third-party apps...) and Apple is right when they try to tell developers how it should be after all Apple is the reason why so many developers (including small biz, students in their dorms...) can develop and profit from this.
My problem is that I am not a techie guy and cannot comment on the merits of either solutions (i.e. flash or HTML5) and I have NOT READ in this forum anything about the pros and cons of Flash and HTML5 in a clear, decent and constructive fashion. Mobile is the future and from what i read on Apple Insider, Apple is doing the right thing (see their small article on the matter)...
I like to use Apple products and I have been using them for more than 20 years now... never had major problems, always enjoyed my experiences on their products... I hate to say it but most flash enabled web site were for advertising most of the time and i do not miss not seeing the ad on Safari)... Apple created H.264: why aren't companies willing to develop on Apple product, use the standards Apple recommends on the platform they built? Apple recommends HTML5 (which is an open standard, no?) so why is everyone talking about "proprietary'? Someone in this forum said Steve Jobs had balls... Indeed he has big Cojones... And indeed we benefit every day from his stand on standards, design, user experience... So be it, Adobe: provide Flash and HTML5 and let everyone decide when and how it needs to be implemented. I have the CS4 suite at home (I love InDesign) and before that i had CS3 and before that.... Adobe has great products BUT i do not remember Adobe going public and demonstrating WHY FLASH needs to stay...
John Grubber from Daring Fireball has a very good thought out, non emotional take on this worth the read.
http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/why_apple_changed_section_331
http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/why_apple_changed_section_331
The peace maker...
Why can't you develop damn near close apps/content on both systems? Hire a new programmer Obama will thank you for the decrease in unemployment.
Bad news sunshine. You will *never* have as much free time to learn things as you do when you're a student.
I guarantee you could *easily* find 10 hours in a week where you are doing typical student things that aren't work for your course. Decide if you want to put that time to good use or if you want to spend it in the pub.
Why will this hurt ?
When did say There Will Be No Flash on the iPhone?
Even if so, it could hurt , it would be a proof that it not EVIL, not a SELL out company you know, like people that will sell their soul to the devil just to be successful!
If Flash work on other phones will support it, and btw which phone runs flash successful?
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This has everything to do with selling games on the app store. Flash is a free way to play games and rich apps online. Apple wants a 30% cut of the games and rich apps. The technical stuff is a red herring.
The new game stuff in iPhone 4 sdk is to take on Facebook's social gaming features.
I don't mind buying into apple's closed nature because I know what I'm buying in to. I'm just concerned that Adobe might stop making Photoshop , after effects and Illustrator for the Mac.
I would have no choice but to run windows since I make a living as an art director.
This has everything to do with selling games on the app store. Flash is a free way to play games and rich apps online. Apple wants a 30% cut of the games and rich apps. The technical stuff is a red herring.
The new game stuff in iPhone 4 sdk is to take on Facebook's social gaming features.
I don't mind buying into apple's closed nature because I know what I'm buying in to. I'm just concerned that Adobe might stop making Photoshop , after effects and Illustrator for the Mac.
I would have no choice but to run windows since I make a living as an art director.
I'm gonna repeat what has already said, because no doubt some people either didn't listen the first time or didn't read the first time.
This is not about Flash on the iPhone, it is about not letting apps be developed in a manner that is easy to port them across to other platforms. Developing an app this way does not automatically make it a buggy mess as Apple would have you believe Flash is. Apple has already told people what apps they can put on their store, now they are saying you are restricted in how you make your apps too. It is a petty shot at Adobe.
A comment about Flash on the iPad/iPhone. There are many advertisements that are made in Flash. Apple's decision not to support Flash (no, it isn't a battery life thing), is firstly because they would be opening up their platforms to games which aren't bought through the app store. Now we have the side effect that other ad companies will not be able to show their adverts in Safari while Apple have their own iAds coming out soon. You might argue that Flash advertisements are intrusive and I would agree, but it is how many people make a living. And on top of that, it sounds like iAds will replicate some of the things Flash ads did but within apps. But we will have to wait and see how iAds turn out.
This is not about Flash on the iPhone, it is about not letting apps be developed in a manner that is easy to port them across to other platforms. Developing an app this way does not automatically make it a buggy mess as Apple would have you believe Flash is. Apple has already told people what apps they can put on their store, now they are saying you are restricted in how you make your apps too. It is a petty shot at Adobe.
A comment about Flash on the iPad/iPhone. There are many advertisements that are made in Flash. Apple's decision not to support Flash (no, it isn't a battery life thing), is firstly because they would be opening up their platforms to games which aren't bought through the app store. Now we have the side effect that other ad companies will not be able to show their adverts in Safari while Apple have their own iAds coming out soon. You might argue that Flash advertisements are intrusive and I would agree, but it is how many people make a living. And on top of that, it sounds like iAds will replicate some of the things Flash ads did but within apps. But we will have to wait and see how iAds turn out.
Why does it matter if it was shipped if a software update enables it? iPhone OS is always dramatically changed through software update.
Right. I haven't checked out the new APIs yet, but I'm assuming the Flash exporter/ AS wouldn't have incorporated them. How do you suppose those app work in the background in the way that Apple has come up with to save batteries/ processing power.... etc.?
Classic...
Apart from that, how long until microsoft, or palm jet off and start the "they're hurting our business, make them stop"...
Okay so Apple is abandoning flash, they have the right to do that it's their hardware... c'mon.
And I'm sick of the flash sites bringing down my equipment to a crawl... ughhh, I'm ready for a flash-less computing experience.
Maybe if you invest on some worthwhile hardware you would not have this problem.
I have an iMac and a quad pc and I have never had problems with flash.
What is with everybody coming out and all of a sudden having flash problems.
What next?
QFE
I am also a professional SW dev, I also started on embedded systems. I am telecom (CDMA/LTE) network/callP layer developer today.
The main complainers in these thread don't actually seems to understand the very real issues.
Not a surprise, the ignorant are usually the loudest on the internet.
Enforcement of Native development is a completely reasonable requirement that leads to better resource usage, better applications, better skilled designers, better incentives for platform enhancement (which feeds back into better apps, better devs...
Beyond just making good technical sense, it isn't new. This has always been the case with the iPhone SDK/appstore. Hopefully it always is.
You skipped over my question entirely by bringing up the end user and ignoring the notion that Apple should create a broader framework to implement multitasking. Until you address that, your argument is irrelevant to my post.
Do you have a lot of trouble managing applications on your desktop or laptop?
Yes as someone else said, how in hell can you complain about no free time as a student? When I was a student I had a few lectures a day, some tutorials and the rest of the time I could use as I saw fit. I mean, I was supposed to spend roughly the same time in a week studying as you would working in a full time job, but I never felt the need to do that. Maybe my course was easy.
UH?
What Obama has to do with this?
Oh, you are a Tea Party supporter!
If you learn more than Flash maybe you'll be able to help create a few jobs?
Forget cross-platform!
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Apple wants real developer and not script kiddies!
Dude, I raise my drink up to you!
I have a lot of embedded systems experience and while I haven't written a compiler, I have done a lot of battery power level checking as I have written code on bare metal.
Yes, there is a definite level of experience that makes a good iPhone developer. Whenever I interview for an mobile development job, those that are on the top of the resume pile have embedded systems experience knowing how to write in a small footprint.
These "script guys" I run into way too much claim that Flash, Visual Basic, Java Script or even HTML makes a proper iPhone developer. That is IMO only one third into the journey to get out of desktop development environments.
I have a series of questions that I have in an interview that tells me if someone is up to snuff. Sadly 90% don't make it past the first two questions.
Apple is making the right call making sure that crappy, ported app doesn't bring the machine down to a crawl. I'm sure Steve is thinking back to his early Macintosh day where some of the most crappy ported apps almost ruined the reputation of the first generation Macintosh and compromised it sales leading to him being fired from Apple -- yes, there is more to that story but bad ports to the Mac was a big part of the first generation Mac not doing well.
Dude, I raise my drink up to you!
I have a lot of embedded systems experience and while I haven't written a compiler, I have done a lot of battery power level checking as I have written code on bare metal.
Yes, there is a definite level of experience that makes a good iPhone developer. Whenever I interview for an mobile development job, those that are on the top of the resume pile have embedded systems experience knowing how to write in a small footprint.
These "script guys" I run into way too much claim that Flash, Visual Basic, Java Script or even HTML makes a proper iPhone developer. That is IMO only one third into the journey to get out of desktop development environments.
I have a series of questions that I have in an interview that tells me if someone is up to snuff. Sadly 90% don't make it past the first two questions.
Apple is making the right call making sure that crappy, ported app doesn't bring the machine down to a crawl. I'm sure Steve is thinking back to his early Macintosh day where some of the most crappy ported apps almost ruined the reputation of the first generation Macintosh and compromised it sales leading to him being fired from Apple -- yes, there is more to that story but bad ports to the Mac was a big part of the first generation Mac not doing well.
Apple just wants to sell Macs and they block compilers that run on any other system than a Mac. iPhone SDK is a Mac only product.
They also block apps created with a gcc cross compiler that have been written C++. It has nothing todo which programming language you use but on which platform you can compile the code.
Simple as that.
They also block apps created with a gcc cross compiler that have been written C++. It has nothing todo which programming language you use but on which platform you can compile the code.
Simple as that.
Then you'll get left behind. For every one dev that doesn't bother to evolve, there are a plenty more that do.