More like the painter's loyalty is with their art. What's the different between an easel and a canvas in your metaphor?
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Fallout From Apple's Exclusion of Flash-to-iPhone Export Continues
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More like the painter's loyalty is with their art. What's the different between an easel and a canvas in your metaphor?
Stupid and pointless...
This whole argument is stupid and pointless.
Apple has a right the deny any software it chooses on the devices "it" makes. For example, if I were to design a radio today and I decided I didn't want to include the AM band in the design because I felt the technology was outdated and unnecessary, that is my choice and my right. Say that radio becomes a popular seller, AM stations don't have a right to complain because they feel left out. They should either upgrade their stations to present technology or find an equally popular AM device and heavily back it. Apple is not the only maker of portable devices, there are plenty of of manufactures out there that Adobe can develop for if they feel wronged by Apple. It's like Toshiba complaining to Sony about not containing HD-DVD in their Blu-Ray disc players. In fact Toshiba was well ahead of the game because they started to design HD-DVD players that could also "play" Blu-Ray discs (effectively hedging their bet). When Toshiba finally lost the format war, they did the logical and smart thing, they started making Blu-Ray disc players. Perhaps Adobe should learn from Toshiba's example. Like another poster stated, to my knowledge there are no user friendly development tools for HTML5. Adobe should play it smart and hedge it's bets by being the first to market with a HTML5 developer suite making it a win-win situation for them whatever web format wins out.
Adobe is a smart company, but right now they are acting like a bunch of stupid spoiled brats. It's time they stop wasting everyone's time with this ridiculous argument and start using their expertise in making awesome design suites and play ball. This doesn't have to be a losing situation for anyone including Adobe, Apple or the endusers. It's just a smoke and mirrors campaign by Adobe to try and confuse the marketplace into backing their outdated proprietary format and anyone who backs their position is just an idiot who doesn't really understand their motivation behind trying to push Flash on every single device made. This is Adobe's play to try to dominate the web and I applaud Apple for fighting back.
This whole argument is stupid and pointless.
Apple has a right the deny any software it chooses on the devices "it" makes. For example, if I were to design a radio today and I decided I didn't want to include the AM band in the design because I felt the technology was outdated and unnecessary, that is my choice and my right. Say that radio becomes a popular seller, AM stations don't have a right to complain because they feel left out. They should either upgrade their stations to present technology or find an equally popular AM device and heavily back it. Apple is not the only maker of portable devices, there are plenty of of manufactures out there that Adobe can develop for if they feel wronged by Apple. It's like Toshiba complaining to Sony about not containing HD-DVD in their Blu-Ray disc players. In fact Toshiba was well ahead of the game because they started to design HD-DVD players that could also "play" Blu-Ray discs (effectively hedging their bet). When Toshiba finally lost the format war, they did the logical and smart thing, they started making Blu-Ray disc players. Perhaps Adobe should learn from Toshiba's example. Like another poster stated, to my knowledge there are no user friendly development tools for HTML5. Adobe should play it smart and hedge it's bets by being the first to market with a HTML5 developer suite making it a win-win situation for them whatever web format wins out.
Adobe is a smart company, but right now they are acting like a bunch of stupid spoiled brats. It's time they stop wasting everyone's time with this ridiculous argument and start using their expertise in making awesome design suites and play ball. This doesn't have to be a losing situation for anyone including Adobe, Apple or the endusers. It's just a smoke and mirrors campaign by Adobe to try and confuse the marketplace into backing their outdated proprietary format and anyone who backs their position is just an idiot who doesn't really understand their motivation behind trying to push Flash on every single device made. This is Adobe's play to try to dominate the web and I applaud Apple for fighting back.
Perhaps, but I think the point is that Adobe abandoning Apple won't necessarily hurt Apple's bottom line. It's not like design studios are just going to dump their Macs overnight. If anything, it might entice some studios to consider Adobe alternatives while they wait out hardware upgrades.
I know some studios are still using CS2, and it hasn't stopped them from creating awesome multi-media rich materials.
At this point in time, Adobe is much more reliant on Apple's ecosystem than vice-versa. Sure, it can change down the road, but logistically, it won't happen overnight. Apple will have at least a couple years to respond should Adobe take such drastic action.
If Adobe were to pull out their Adobe Suites from the Mac community, i think its a BIG and SERIOUS mistake on their part. I would not switch back to using a PC just because Adobe is no longer available on a Mac.
From Lee Blog - "Many of Adobe’s supporters have mentioned that we should discontinue the Creative Suite products on OS X as a form of retaliation. Again, this is something that Adobe would never consider in a million years."
I guess if Adobe really did pull out from the Mac market, all Apple needs to do is to buy company like Pixelmator, Quark Express and recompile them with some other Apple software like Final Cut Pro, Aperture into a package. Apple would make their package a whole lot cheaper to buy than Adobe Suite, make them a lot more powerful and intuitive to use in OSX, and then provide free training at Apple Retail to get creative designer back to Mac. Afterall, they got 40 billion cash sitting in their coffer doing nothing but earning interests. I would love this to happen.
I think the most important thing right now is for Apple PR to clarify about their SDK changes....and i think the most logical reason to the iPhone SDK changes is because of iPhones OS 4 Multitasking as reported by Appleinsider. Lee blog statement has really hurt the relationship between Apple and Adobe to the point i think he haven`t get the fact right before posting such crude remarks back at Apple.
Statement from Lee blog like "Go screw yourself Apple." and "Comments disabled as I’m not interested in hearing from the Cupertino Comment SPAM bots." is really childish and unnecessary.
From Lee Blog - "Many of Adobe’s supporters have mentioned that we should discontinue the Creative Suite products on OS X as a form of retaliation. Again, this is something that Adobe would never consider in a million years."
I guess if Adobe really did pull out from the Mac market, all Apple needs to do is to buy company like Pixelmator, Quark Express and recompile them with some other Apple software like Final Cut Pro, Aperture into a package. Apple would make their package a whole lot cheaper to buy than Adobe Suite, make them a lot more powerful and intuitive to use in OSX, and then provide free training at Apple Retail to get creative designer back to Mac. Afterall, they got 40 billion cash sitting in their coffer doing nothing but earning interests. I would love this to happen.
I think the most important thing right now is for Apple PR to clarify about their SDK changes....and i think the most logical reason to the iPhone SDK changes is because of iPhones OS 4 Multitasking as reported by Appleinsider. Lee blog statement has really hurt the relationship between Apple and Adobe to the point i think he haven`t get the fact right before posting such crude remarks back at Apple.
Statement from Lee blog like "Go screw yourself Apple." and "Comments disabled as I’m not interested in hearing from the Cupertino Comment SPAM bots." is really childish and unnecessary.
Well that's just naive...
Here's an update for you. Apple doesn't just make hardware. Incase you didn't notice, Apple is also a software developer and a pretty damn good one at that. If Adobe were to do that, Apple would just start developing it's own version of "Creative Suite". They already have many of the elements of CS in their Final Cut Studio package. Add in Aperture and most of the battle is already won. Silly boy, "Tricks Are for Kids". Apple has played this game before with Microsoft trying to dominate them and they answered back with iWork which I'll take over Office bloatware any day of the week. Now you might think I'm an Apple fanboy but you'd be mistaken. I just think that was a naive statement.
Here's an update for you. Apple doesn't just make hardware. Incase you didn't notice, Apple is also a software developer and a pretty damn good one at that. If Adobe were to do that, Apple would just start developing it's own version of "Creative Suite". They already have many of the elements of CS in their Final Cut Studio package. Add in Aperture and most of the battle is already won. Silly boy, "Tricks Are for Kids". Apple has played this game before with Microsoft trying to dominate them and they answered back with iWork which I'll take over Office bloatware any day of the week. Now you might think I'm an Apple fanboy but you'd be mistaken. I just think that was a naive statement.
So the sites use a lot of resources and some take time to load. One reason I buy nice fast computers is to be able to run the latest and most intensive processes that deliver the most engaging and interactive experiences. What is the point of having all the resources if you never use them and only load html websites. My favorite ps3 games are the ones the use the full potential the ps3 offers and by the end of gaming the fans are running and the device is hot. Race Cars pushing the performance to the max and burning through tires.
I would simply prefer the option to use flash, publish with flash, and control how I use the apple hardware I buy without a babysitter telling me what I want or can have.
And please show me the award winning interactive experiences in html5 that compete with what has been done in flash.
LOL! Do know how many Apple product owners purchase Adobe software as a percentage of total? Hint: not many.
Apple's bread and butter no longer is selling hardware to creatives who use Adobe software. It's true!
Anyone who thinks that Adobe pulling its Mac software off the market would be a good idea for Adobe is delusional, if not certifiably insane.
Are you posting from the year 2002? Because that's about when the above statement stopped being true.
I thought that most Apple devos programmed commando....
How does running Windows 7 on your Apple show loyalty?
A very minor censorship, IMO. Brimlow is there for "plausible deniability" - he can say what Adobe wants to say, but can't.
Adobe agrees.
Are you saying that most of them pirate?
All the talk of Flash Plug-ins, Flash Video, and websites with Flash content is pretty far off-topic. We're talking about the $700-1600 Adobe CS developer tool suite here.
This is about Apple's decisions for their closed mobile consumer electronic device development platform and permitted development tools. If you're not writing Action Script or Objective C, the topic probably has little or no impact on you.
If you don't want to write closed, platform specific code, Apple fully supports an open standards based alternative that you can play in for free, and distribute apps outside of the App Store. It's WebKit (HTML5) and it can do almost anything a built in app can do. And with WebKit2, the gap closes even more.
PS: for all the HTML5 doubters, watch the HTLM5 Quake II port before you comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhMN0wlITLk
This is about Apple's decisions for their closed mobile consumer electronic device development platform and permitted development tools. If you're not writing Action Script or Objective C, the topic probably has little or no impact on you.
If you don't want to write closed, platform specific code, Apple fully supports an open standards based alternative that you can play in for free, and distribute apps outside of the App Store. It's WebKit (HTML5) and it can do almost anything a built in app can do. And with WebKit2, the gap closes even more.
PS: for all the HTML5 doubters, watch the HTLM5 Quake II port before you comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhMN0wlITLk
How long will that takes?
Apple has been reminding Adobe for the past 3 years about their flash-plug in issues and they haven`t fix that yet in OSX. Perhaps Apple should send some of their talented engineer over to Adobe to fix it for them.
I'm told rather often that Mac users pirate less (if at all) than Windows users. I have no clue who is keeping track though or where such a notion came from.Are you saying that most of them pirate?
Okay, that's a pretty ironic statement because if it holds true, then the same is bound to happen to Apple.
So this boils down to what?
Apple wants native iPhone/iPad applications created with their developer tools directly interfacing with their APIs?
And Adobe wants to great some type of middleware translation library for Flash applications that lets them pretend to be a native iPhone/iPad application?
Apple wants native iPhone/iPad applications created with their developer tools directly interfacing with their APIs?
And Adobe wants to great some type of middleware translation library for Flash applications that lets them pretend to be a native iPhone/iPad application?
Simple. I have a Mac. I use VMWare/Windows for the work software that I have to use, and OSX for everything else.
If Adobe went Windows only, I'd use boot camp to run it. And I'd keep OSX for everything.
My entire studio would do the same thing.
How does buying Mac hardware not show Apple loyalty?
The abcense of Flash--From a NON-Techie
I'm not involved in the underbelly of all this programming..... but as someone who has always used macs..... I CAN'T STAND THAT THE iPod, iPhone, and now iPad.... DON'T RUN FLASH. It's the most irritating thing I experience with these products.
Sorry Mr. Jobs, but if the rest of the net is using it, please give in and let us experience the most of what's out there. I am actually now buying a pc notebook just to sit away from my desk mac and enjoy the whole experience.
I'm not involved in the underbelly of all this programming..... but as someone who has always used macs..... I CAN'T STAND THAT THE iPod, iPhone, and now iPad.... DON'T RUN FLASH. It's the most irritating thing I experience with these products.
Sorry Mr. Jobs, but if the rest of the net is using it, please give in and let us experience the most of what's out there. I am actually now buying a pc notebook just to sit away from my desk mac and enjoy the whole experience.
The solution is easy. Adobe should just not release Photoshop CS5 for MAC. I will be (as many, many designers and photographers) on a PC faster than Steve Job iScrewedup! And MAC will be history in the design/photography industry. Apple may dress up their decision with many cheap excuses, but Apple is been just plain jerks. Screw brand loyalty. They either give us what we want and need or Apple can jump in a lake.
Well i must say that at least someone on this forum uses logic.
Im sick of lazy web developers and fanboys screaming blue murder on both sides of the argument.
Adobe need Apple just like Apple need adobe.
If they were to pull the CS5 from Macs do they honestly think that designers will pack up and use the windows version?
like DK9 said it would make more sense to work WITH Apple and give them the few things they want... in this case no flash but HTML5, and then leave the windows version as is.
See where the market leads you for a change Adobe and not you forcing them, because eventually other standards and programs will be developed that will make you obsolete from all those other than the ones too lazy to change or the fanboys.
I must disagree on Apple needing Adobe far more than vice versa. As others have pointed out, Mac sales aren't the lion's share of Apple's revenue anymore and not all that many Mac owners use Adobe CS. Besides which, if Adobe did switch to Windows only, I suspect you'd see a large number of Mac owners simply swallow their pride (as I did) and purchase a copy of Windows 7 for the boot camp. For that odd piece of software that simply isn't available for Mac OS