Adobe changed the face of the internet, when has Apple done this? Apple is going to meet its demise soon, and it may come from their own religious stans.
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Fallout From Apple's Exclusion of Flash-to-iPhone Export Continues
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We're actually moving away from the Browser as the way to access specific 'online media content'. It does actually make much more sense for specific apps for viewing things like TV apps. This is why BOXEE is doing so well, and people use the Yelp app rather than the Yelp website on the iphone. I used to watch MLB games via a browser running a flash app... Now I watch it in a BOXEE app that uses native h264 streaming.
And you may have noticed that the browser on iPhone OS has never supported Flash.
Apple changed the face of the entire tech industry. Several times.
When has Adobe done that?
As for your last comment, it's almost as nonsensical as your MacRumors handle.
Someone needs to get to Steve and remind him that his monomaniacal arrogance nearly sunk the company once before. This kind of narcissistic overconfidence isn't good for anyone--it's anti-competitive, alienating to developers and a great way to lose friends and allies.
Steve may be intelligent and innovative, but he's also a real dick.
Steve may be intelligent and innovative, but he's also a real dick.
Yes, and trust me, you've missed very little by not upgrading to CS4.
I cannot believe what Adobe passes off as upgrades these days.
Their products are just plain junk. Poorly written, bloated, buggy code.
They haven't. They've just outlined the *source codes* that need to be human readable for iTunes store approved apps. You don't have to *use* XCode, it just has to be a source code that XCode can read. You could write it all in emacs and compile by hand if you wanted to.
Why not let the user decide for himself? If the plugin was an optional install or if the browser only starts it when you click on something that uses flash everyone would be happy.
If the battery lasts only 5 hours (instead of 10) when using flash this maight be ok for some users in some situations and sometimes it may be not. There is no difference to any other App. If your iPhone battery is low and you are on the go and need the phone you won't use the last power to play a 3D game.
Christian
This time Apple's the one calling the plays, and everyone else is trying to keep up.
This is 2010. Apple's penetration in this industry is too far reaching and too attractive to consumers for everyone else to pretend it doesn't exist or that it'll end up backfiring on Apple. It won't . . . because consumers have already voted for Apple with their wallets. As long as that continues, guess where all the developers will be?
Let's see... We are moving where? There are millions web sites on the WWW. According to you, to access the same sources/sites in the future we will just need millions of applications. Nice
The end user doesn't know the difference between a bytecompiled powerhog flashapp, and a native one. They just know that sometimes their ipad battery drains quickly, and occasionally the app hangs in fullscreen, or the buttons don't work right, or it just looks bad...
Who are they going to blame, Adobe who they don't know from Adam, or Apple who they bought the device from and who had the app in their store?
The user doesn't care. The user cares more about the beauty and usability of the device than about a video codec. That's the difference when it comes to Apple products. The device itself is just as compelling as the content it delivers.
If Apple can get enough big players on board with HTML5 (YouTube is already there, so that's half the battle), and a quite a few are already there, and not take too long with the transition, the user will barely notice, and certainly won't mind the transition. Why? Because put very simply, the iPad is bloody gorgeous, is a pleasure to use, and is just so damn cool. Plus you get all those wonderful apps. It's like getting the candy plus the entire candy store to go along with it, with new candy on sale every week. Sheer genius.
Want to distract the user from the HTML5 transition? Give em an iPad.
This is what's eating at Adobe. Flash is just a video tool, which to the average user is faceless, nameless, and just a bunch of code. Substitute one for the other. Adobe has a lot to lose. Not Apple. Not the consumer.
The code has to be originally written in C++/Obj-C or JS. A C++ sourcecode that was generated by an automatic translator from something else is prohibited.
There are (for example) Java to C translators, Basic to C translators or Scheme to C translators. You may not use any of these tools.
You can use the command line or another development enviroment if you like.
Christian
Let's see... We are moving where? There are millions web sites on the WWW. According to you, to access the same sources/sites in the future we will just need millions of applications. Nice
You won't want an app to read "My cat spot's homepage".
You will want an app to watch Netflix.
See the difference between when you want a browser and when you want an app?
Because then people would say Apple's offering has terrible battery life.
If the device lasts long doing almost any task aside from watching flash content, then there's a problem with that content.
I know what you're saying about letting the user decide. However, the user can decide by not buying Apple's offerings as well.
I'm not upset at MS for not allowing me to use an SD card on the Xbox. It's their design decision. Plain and simple.
Ballmer has been driving Microsoft in circles for years. Where's your outrage?
The stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming the aroma of freshly-cut astroturf.
If the translators produced well formatted human readable code that could then be edited in a development environment, then that'd very likely pass iTunes app store approval.
But those are few and far between.
Surely you can't be serious.
(to which your reply might be, "I am serious. And Don't call me Shirley!")
Seriously, I'd like to know why you are supporting Adobe's proprietary, closed standard over the Apple-endorsed, open standard HTML5. Do you hate Apple that much, or do you really need your Bang Bros content on your iPad sooo badly?!?
Ironically, I find it interesting that many of the same people who are on the Flash side of this debate are also the ones who will call Windows and open standard.
Then they have to disable all non approved Javascript on the Web, too. I am sure it is possible to write something that drains the battery as quickly as Flash does just using Javascript. With Web Apps getting more and more complex this will happen. JS also needs to be just in time translated (or even interpreted) on the fly.
Christian
If you don't like it... develop for some other platform!!!
No one is forcing any one to develop apps for the iPhone/Apple... if you don't like the lack of Flash support its simple... develop your apps for some other platform that supports Flash...
If you're Adobe, and you want your technology to work on someone else's platform, then you need to figure out what it will take to do that... not by cutting corners... but by playing by the rules like everyone else... and if it just simply isn't justifiable to you to do what it would take you make your technology acceptable to those that created the platform, well, you know what... stick with the platform that you know... figure out how to make money with that... stop whining like a bunch of little pansies because some "mean kids won't let you play"... go play in your own yard and realize that not EVERYONE can be friends...
No one is forcing any one to develop apps for the iPhone/Apple... if you don't like the lack of Flash support its simple... develop your apps for some other platform that supports Flash...
If you're Adobe, and you want your technology to work on someone else's platform, then you need to figure out what it will take to do that... not by cutting corners... but by playing by the rules like everyone else... and if it just simply isn't justifiable to you to do what it would take you make your technology acceptable to those that created the platform, well, you know what... stick with the platform that you know... figure out how to make money with that... stop whining like a bunch of little pansies because some "mean kids won't let you play"... go play in your own yard and realize that not EVERYONE can be friends...
Sor do you really need your Bang Bros content on your iPad sooo badly?!?
Do you really need to ask?
Yeah, Apple also changed the face of digital media players, and the sales of the music industry, but I don't think I was talking about that... I thought I said "Adobe changed the face of the internet, has Apple done this?".
Don't compensate with other aspects when I was specifically focusing on one... your comprehension is as nonsensical as my MacRumors handle.