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Ok I’m getting really tired of this crap. You have nothing but speculation on your last paragraph and bet in three pages time people will be asserting that’s what actually is happening.

It’s been amazing watching people cherry pick from stories that have nothing to do with this issue, then use that cherry picked information as “evidence”.

Yes, I too am tired of the “crap” that people assume is true and projecting what they think as if they know anything. People default in their thinking that Apple is something more than they are. They are a company making products. They are a business and nothing more. People will defend them thinking that products are made by “magic” and not realize that everything that is made has a cost and businesses always look to reduce those costs in order maximize profits. Defaulting to think that Apple “thinks different” in this is asinine (look up the word).

The real “crap” is that in reality a business has costs and a target profit margin to maintain in order for share holders to be happy and not dump their shares.

You talk too as if you know more than anyone with your juvenile list of speculations. If you did not think you have some “insight” you would not have posted or commented on this thread.

This is a rumor forum, get use to people that might not agree with your brilliant insights and be careful in your responses to those who respond to what you think as if your thoughts or opinions matter. They don’t. Get use to it.

Throwing “crap” at people’s responses to you will get you off this forum, so welcome opinions from others, and don’t call them “crap”.
 
sounds like the batteries are designed to get old at a certain time.

Maybe...my wife’s iPhone 6s was on the list (serial numbers) last year for the faulty battery recall and took it in for replacement. The battery was replaced and the now replaced battery (less than a year) is at 87% capacity with normal usage as per the coconut battery app.

Was in the Apple store dealing with another iPhone 6s on Dec. 31st that was on the list for recall and his original battery was at 13% capacity. He purchased it September 2016 and it was replaced free of charge.

Since I was in, we ran a diagnostics on my wife’s iphone (just to see) and it came up as “good”. If the battery continues to degrade at the current rate, the $29 replacement will come in handy by the end of the 2018 year..
 
Maybe...my wife’s iPhone 6s was on the list (serial numbers) last year for the faulty battery recall and took it in for replacement. The battery was replaced and the now replaced battery (less than a year) is at 87% capacity with normal usage as per the coconut battery app.

Was in the Apple store dealing with another iPhone 6s on Dec. 31st that was on the list for recall and his original battery was at 13% capacity. He purchased it September 2016 and it was replaced free of charge.

Since I was in, we ran a diagnostics on my wife’s iphone (just to see) and it came up as “good”. If the battery continues to degrade at the current rate, the $29 replacement will come in handy by the end of the 2018 year..

It makes sense to me that a multinational headless corporation would design a product in this way. If they make it last just for 2 years then people will feel like needing to upgrade right when the contract is over. I always skipped a generation in my upgrades.
[doublepost=1515034826][/doublepost]basically apple is a ****** company. And this is from the guy who has or had g3 ibooks to mac mini to black macbook to 1,1 mac pro to 5,1 mac pro to 6,1 mac pro, apple tv macbook pro 13" macbook pro 15" a gaggle of iphones including my wife getting a new top of the line 8 and me running a 7. I can operate osx in the dark and use it for my work. Apple is crappy for doing this greedy thing.

oh and a ipad2
 
I haven't had time to read through 12 pages of responses, but I'd like to ask whether anyone has had the problems I am having. I have an iPhone 6.

1. Apple Music does not sync from Mac to iPhone, but for some reason, it seems to work only when cellular data is turned on, even though it is connecting via the same wifi network.

2. Email notifications and updating have gotten terrible. I sometimes don't get emails for about 4 hours, and I have to manually update/fetch emails, which works only sporadically.

I have no idea whether these issues are related to the slowdown, but they are frustrating and give me reluctance to "reward" Apple by buying a new $1,000+ phone.

Thanks.
 
Why wouldn't the 8/X be prone to this throttling?

Maybe they are, but only when the batteries age enough to be closer to failure. Wait a couple years or 500+ full charge cycles.
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I think, the article is incorrect as my iPhone 5s (10.3.3) still shuts down with 50%+ battery remaining.

Sounds like you might have a bad battery that needs replacement.
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Apple has 12 years of iphone data.

None of which is completely applicable. Each processor generation has different power requirements and different clock control and power management options. And the battery, battery charge controller and power management in the 3G are much older technologies than in the newer devices. Thus, the additional tweaking once Apple gathers data and learns more accurate statistics on how users play with each year's new iPhone features. e.g. the iPhone 7 didn't have a neural engine eating up power. etc.
 
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Maybe they are, but only when the batteries age enough to be closer to failure. Wait a couple years or 500+ full charge cycles.
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Sounds like you might have a bad battery that needs replacement.
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None of which is completely applicable. Each processor generation has different power requirements and different clock control and power management options. And the battery, battery charge controller and power management in the 3G are much older technologies than in the newer devices. Thus, the additional tweaking once Apple gathers data and learns more accurate statistics on how users play with each year's new iPhone features. e.g. the iPhone 7 didn't have a neural engine eating up power. etc.

They have been tweaking it to get you to get a new phone. Look man. I replaced my wifes Iphone 6plus 3 months ago. It cost me $1050. That is real damage because of corporate greed.
 
I dont think you know what the word lying means.
[doublepost=1515031568][/doublepost]me speculating that the phones are designed to have the batteries go bad is based on all of this news plus my personal experience owning iphones for 10 years isnt a lie. Its my speculation based on known facts. You on the other hand seem butt hurt that I choose to speculate about the whys.
You stated as a “fact” that iPhone batteries are designed to go bad after one year. That is just simply and completely untrue. Sorry to break it to you.
 
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Isn't it $29 for 2018 then a recurring $79 every year thereafter considering the iPhone 7 is just a year old and is affected? So, total cost of ownership is paying for the phone plus an annual lease on top to maintain performance after the first year.

Correct. Apple wants you to forget about it and go back to charging $79, which they will need to approve , they really just want you upgrade really
 
You stated as a “fact” that iPhone batteries are designed to go bad after one year. That is just simply and completely untrue. Sorry to break it to you.

And where is your data to say if this is not true?

Are You Tim Cook or Phil or whomever that does the engineering at Apple...I thought so..

I am not say that you are not correct in your “opinion”, but unless you indeed have facts yourself, you cannot state as “fact” that Apple is not purposely doing this.

We have to wait and see what the courts rule.
Isn't it $29 for 2018 then a recurring $79 every year thereafter considering the iPhone 7 is just a year old and is affected? So, total cost of ownership is paying for the phone plus an annual lease on top to maintain performance after the first year.
Wo..wait a minute...that sounds like the business model that Microsoft has....
 
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Working perfectly fine....until they shut off randomly on walks. I had that experience for months, then suddenly my problem was fixed and I could actually make it through a walk without it shutting off in the cold.

Are you seriously contending that the shutdown issue this software addressed didn't exist?
I'm sorry, but I haven't heard of any other phones that this would happen to before or since, only iPhones. They talk about voltage spikes as if it happens only when something intensive is going on. Being in a pocket and shutting off should not cause this. There is/was something seriously wrong with Apple batteries, and rather than address the real issue, they have just crippled everyone's phone and hoped nobody would notice. Batteries die, everyone knows that. When then TV remote stops working, the first thing you do is change the batteries. If your phone was running out of charge every few hours, you'd go get the battery changed.
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You're wrong there. I took my phone to the Genius Bar for it running slow. They recommended upgrading the phone. That is their notes in their system. During discovery, they will find many more examples of exactly that.
I worked on a Genius Bar between 2011-2013 and we were told by management that we had to supplement the Red Zone by talking people round to upgrading their phone more often. "Rather than spend money on a refurbished replacement handset, why don't you go for a new contract and walk out the store today with the latest and greatest at no upfront cost?"
The amount of upgrades and sales being transferred over from GB to RZ was being monitored and we were spoken to about it many times. This is obviously the store leaders being pressured by the regional managers who are being pressured by head office. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the whole thing has been manufactured to prematurely get people to upgrade their phone and sign up for a new 2 year contract or apple upgrade program, and they make it as easy as possible to do so in store, directly from the Genius Bar.
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Why wouldn't the 8/X be prone to this throttling?
They still might be. The iP8 continues Apple's trend of somehow putting batteries that are only 60% of the capacity of competitors products (1800mAh compared to the S8 3000mAh). The iPX has a 2700mAh battery which is putting it in line with the rest of the world's understanding of what a flagship phone needs, and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have to throttle the iPX due to it having this extra power available to it.
 
I got curious and installed Battery Life on my 4S that will be very soon replaced with a new X. It's coming up on six years old and has never had its battery replaced and has all sorts of problems.

The battery has gone through 1,726 charge cycles (I thought Apple didn't allow charge cycles to be measured on 3rd party apps?) and is down to only 57% of its original capacity.

I still plan on getting the X but it might be worth spending $17 on a replacement battery kit for the 4S and keeping it around as a secondary device...

I can only hope that Apple saw this scandal coming and designed the X accordingly...
 
I got curious and installed Battery Life on my 4S that will be very soon replaced with a new X. It's coming up on six years old and has never had its battery replaced and has all sorts of problems.

The battery has gone through 1,726 charge cycles (I thought Apple didn't allow charge cycles to be measured on 3rd party apps?) and is down to only 57% of its original capacity.

I still plan on getting the X but it might be worth spending $17 on a replacement battery kit for the 4S and keeping it around as a secondary device...

I can only hope that Apple saw this scandal coming and designed the X accordingly...

"Hope" is not a good strategy. I think that six years for a device is pretty incredible, and absent a design issue, there is no reason why the device shouldn't still work fine with shorter battery life, given its at 57%. Seems pretty simple... if you are going to keep using it then I'd replace the battery. If not, then don't.
 
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Here's what bothers me... my phone was working great before the update, with no shut downs or slowness. In addition, I have a mophie battery case that provides extra juice. After the update, my phone was excruciating slow in just about every possible function. I replaced the battery and now it is like brand new.

My point being that if Apple had provided an option to turn on/off this "beneficial slowness feature", we wouldn't still be hearing about it.

By now, you've probably seen headlines about Apple slowing down your iPhone, but it's not nearly as simple or corrupt as it sounds.
 
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What's the point of paying extra for Apple Care+ that's suppose to cover battery replacement below 80% capacity if Apple's battery diagnostic is flawed since many have reported that they experience throttling or premature shut down yet Apple claim it's above 80% denying battery replacement? Why isn't there a class action for warranty fraud from the eighteen that have been filed?

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...rocessor-speeds-to-induce-sales-of-new-i.html
 
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What's the point of paying extra for Apple Care+ that's suppose to cover battery replacement below 80% capacity if Apple's battery diagnostic is flawed since many have reported that they experience throttling or premature shut down yet Apple claim it's above 80% denying battery replacement? Why isn't there a class action for warranty fraud from the eighteen that have been filed?

So you think Apple should be ordered to give its battery diagnostic tool to an outside firm to check, since it's used to deny Apple Care claims?
 
What's the point of paying extra for Apple Care+ that's suppose to cover battery replacement below 80% capacity if Apple's battery diagnostic is flawed since many have reported that they experience throttling or premature shut down yet Apple claim it's above 80% denying battery replacement? Why isn't there a class action for warranty fraud from the eighteen that have been filed?

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...rocessor-speeds-to-induce-sales-of-new-i.html

My guess, assuming Apple wasn't actually being nefarious in their system, is that the diagnostic tool works fine and the batteries were above the 80% threshold, BUT whatever algorithm that was implemented in the fix/patch uses indicators other than capacity percentage to calculate whether the system should be throttled or not, such as actual battery age or number of charge cycles.
 
So you think Apple should be ordered to give its battery diagnostic tool to an outside firm to check, since it's used to deny Apple Care claims?

Since Apple's battery diagnostic method is unreliable if not flawed it should be handled like slot machine certification by 3rd party until a corrected policy is enforced on Apple.

Current Apple Care+ policy
- Customer experiences premature shutdown and takes device into store to get battery replacement under Apple Care+
- Apple claim the battery is fine above 80% and, instead, suggest installing the latest iOS update
- Customer updates iOS and now experiences performance throttling
- Apple claim slowness is normal for older devices and suggest buying a new device

Suggested enforced policy
- The fact that the customer is experiencing premature battery shutdown is sufficient reason without jumping through additional hoops
- Apple Care+ only allow one battery replacement per year anyway so Apple are still profiting from $149 Apple Care+ for a $2 battery even with labor
 
You stated as a “fact” that iPhone batteries are designed to go bad after one year. That is just simply and completely untrue. Sorry to break it to you.

This is what I wrote:

"sounds like the batteries are designed to get old at a certain time."

"sounds like"

ponder that statement for a few minutes and tell me where my statement of fact is.

The fact is... you cant ;)
 
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