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apple keyboards are trash no matter what. ive had issues with none butterfly keyboards. my macbook and macbook air had keys break after a few days and apple refused to fix them. its one reason i avoid macbooks now. apple are to obsessed with being thin and slim. you’re paying like £1,000-4,000 for a computer with crappy cheap plastic keys.

After a few days? Okay, sure........

I missed out on the butterfly generation, but all other Apple keyboards have been great for me. Except i put so many miles on my 8-year old 2013 MacBook Air that a few of its keys started to fail. Popping off the keys and cleaning out the switch tended to help sometimes.

Shame that the butterfly mechanism failed so dramatically. From a pure engineering standpoint, it's clearly a great design. Just not in our dusty world.
 
These are always the scammiest looking websites. How they ever get anyone to volunteer their info for their $1.31 payouts is beyond me.
I only ever got one decent settlement, and I didnt have to do anything. Otherwise it's some junky amount, and it's always a gift card. Why would I want to use their stuff more if I joined a suit??
 
so apple had to pay 20 million but made how many billions of dollars during that 5 YEARS on the faulty keyboard. 20 million is a drop in the bucket to apple and they walked away smiling at all the faulty keyboards they sold anyway.
 
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Good! They knew it was faulty and a pos yet they obstinately stuck their heads in the sand and kept repeating that same old ******** line - "only a small number of Macs are affected".

The fine should have been much higher for their blatent lies and attempts to cover up their garbage designs (yet another Ive failure). Hopefully Apple learns a lesson here but I highly doubt it.

I'm afraid that the lesson learned was that there were plenty of consumers who could be duped into their "Look how THIN it is!" marketing BS, where how thin it was resulted in compromises to basic function. (Like crappy KBs, thermal throttling, etc) And, plenty of those consumers didn't know any better when these issues happened and bought into the "I'm using it wrong, I'm not keeping it clean enough, etc)

Apple learned that there are plenty of people who buy into the "Look how THIIIIINNNNNNN it is! fap fap fap" BS no matter how crappy the device performs in real world use. A lot of them have YouTube channels and tens of thousands of twitter followers.

Sigh.

If anything, Apple learned that people like us, who prefer that devices we pay thousands of dollars for actually WORK properly, don't matter as much as the idjits who will gladly pay for total and absolute crap...

I can assure you if Apple learned anything, that Apple learned the absolute wrong lessons over the past few years.

Sigh.

 
"Apple ultimately started replacing butterfly keyboards with scissor switch keyboards, and phased out the last butterfly keyboard in 2020, and now all Mac models that are available use the more reliable scissor switch mechanism that predates the butterfly keys."

The scissor mechanism that Apple currently uses is NOT the same design as the scissor mechanism that predated the butterfly keyboard. Also, how can MacRumors use the phrase "more reliable" when reliability numbers for the scissor mechanism have never been available? It's pretty easy to do a web search and find all kinds of types of failures for scissor mechanism Macs and PCs. Scissor keyboards do fail and the companies that sell them do NOT provide any specific data on the rate of failure.

In simple terms, nobody complained publicly about failing keyboards until the butterfly keyboards, and then complaints ceased when they returned to the scissor mechanism. Numbers aside, the evidence speaks for itself.
 
I'm afraid that the lesson learned was that there were plenty of consumers who could be duped into their "Look how THIN it is!" marketing BS, where how thin it was resulted in compromises to basic function. (Like crappy KBs, thermal throttling, etc) And, plenty of those consumers didn't know any better when these issues happened and bought into the "I'm using it wrong, I'm not keeping it clean enough, etc)

Apple learned that there are plenty of people who buy into the "Look how THIIIIINNNNNNN it is! fap fap fap" BS no matter how crappy the device performs in real world use. A lot of them have YouTube channels and tens of thousands of twitter followers.

Sigh.

If anything, Apple learned that people like us, who prefer that devices we pay thousands of dollars for actually WORK properly, don't matter as much as the idjits who will gladly pay for total and absolute crap...

I can assure you if Apple learned anything, that Apple learned the absolute wrong lessons over the past few years.

Sigh.


Technology advancement comes from trial and error. Sometimes those trials are in released products. Clearly the butterfly keyboards performed exceptionally well in Apple's clean testing labs. That's where they failed, through... to test in normal, everyday environments.

There's nothing wrong with pushing boundaries. Thinness is one of them. It's how the human race learns. You can't fault Apple for trying to find out what works and what doesn't. It's how we advance.
 
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Really not a fan of class-action lawsuits...they enrich the lawyers while the class members see scraps.

I will say though I am very glad those terrible keyboards are in the past.
 
So they will each get $1.21 and some lawyers made millions. Cool
How else do you propose holding a company accountable for their defective products? The purpose is to make it more expensive for the company to do the wrong thing than the right. Without these lawsuits that has no chance of happening, regardless of who gets paid what.
 
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I had two laptops that had to have the keyboard replace. I had to pay $375 for one and the other they did "for free." I'll never get that money back.
 
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2018 MB Pro user here. Had the keyboard replaced twice, but only because of battery service. Never had an actual issue with the keyboard itself.
 
People here sure don't like Jony.

Well, he was the person that introduced the new keyboard in a fancy video saying they designed it to be a comfortable and accurate typing platform. The reality was 0.7mm travel was terrible and so was reliability.
 
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I had the keyboard on my 2017 MacBook Pro 13" replaced within the first year, because the "N" key and spacebar stopped working reliably. I've used a silicone cover on it ever since, just to prevent recurring issues. But it's a terrible feeling keyboard with key travel that's way too short. And somehow it STILL leaves marks on the screen.

Glad to have a better keyboard back in my M1 Max. But I still use a silicone cover.

Thanks for nothing, Jony Ive. Take your "thin and light above all else" and shove it up your bottom.
 
It's funny, the first thing I thought when I opened up my M2 MacBook Air was "oh, those mushy keys."

I wonder if there was a way of making the butterfly mechanisms in a keyboard that wasn't super-shallow travel and had the mechanical problems? I really did like the feel of them over the scissors. But I'm guessing Apple won't touch the tech for years after the headaches it gave them.
 
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