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FBI Briefing Senators on How It Accessed San Bernardino Shooter's iPhone
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Wow ... what crap. This is exactly what we all thought would happen. But this older phone is the 5C and doesn't have the secure enclave introduced in the 5S. Can their method of breaking into the 5C be used on newer phones? Because the secure enclave is another beast entirely.
So, you're saying that Apple is full of it when it comes to security? If that's the case, I guess apple is no different that samsung other than design and brand name.
If this company didn't come to Apple first with this exploit they never would have. The FBI most likely paid them to remain silent.
I'm actually in agreement with the FBI this time, I don't feel they need to explain how they got in to the iPhone anymore than Apple should have been forced to create a backdoor for the FBI.
In my mind this is exactly how the game should be played. Apple now need to up their game to work out how it was done.
That said, I have my reservations that the FBI have even got in to the iPhone. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they were just claiming success to save face. /tinfoilhat
In my mind this is exactly how the game should be played. Apple now need to up their game to work out how it was done.
That said, I have my reservations that the FBI have even got in to the iPhone. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they were just claiming success to save face. /tinfoilhat
Given Feinsteins authoritarian, fear-mongering, liberty-stomping, constitution-sidestepping actions and statements over the last few years, this comes as no surprise.
Republicans aren't the only ones with faustian tendencies.
Republicans aren't the only ones with faustian tendencies.
Based on her moves in supporting secret courts and bulk constitutional violations, she is no better than gestapo, Stasi, or GRU.
She and her like-minded contra-compatriots belong in a federal prison.
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She and her like-minded contra-compatriots belong in a federal prison.
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Hardly.
The word terrorism and safety are abused nowadays and mostly by the people that try to prevent terrorism or augment safety in order to obtain a passepartout.
It is like 9/11 that has been strumentalized in order to achieve more control and not in a good way, you just had to say we are doing this in ordert to avoid another 9/11 and they pretty much could have made whatever law they wanted or add any controle they tought it was "needed".
Today you just have to say it is to prevent terrorism or it is for your safety.....it is getting hard to figure who is protecting whom and from what.
I mean ..shouldn't I be protected from someone who wants to know everything about me? Who is in charge to controle the one who control me?
It is like 9/11 that has been strumentalized in order to achieve more control and not in a good way, you just had to say we are doing this in ordert to avoid another 9/11 and they pretty much could have made whatever law they wanted or add any controle they tought it was "needed".
Today you just have to say it is to prevent terrorism or it is for your safety.....it is getting hard to figure who is protecting whom and from what.
I mean ..shouldn't I be protected from someone who wants to know everything about me? Who is in charge to controle the one who control me?
Only one letter of difference yet about 150 iq point of difference: Einstein - Feinstein.
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This is never going to work. The back-door can always be patched via another source (from outside the US) and the FBI is back to square one.
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This is never going to work. The back-door can always be patched via another source (from outside the US) and the FBI is back to square one.
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Why would that company tell Apple about the security problem for free? Apple only gives out gold stars and a pat on the back for security info from 3rd parties. Apple prefers to save money by using customers to beta test and find flaws.
Even companies like United Airlines has a bug bounty program and they aren't even in the tech industry.
I'd say Apple won't bother trying to find out. My theory is that the FBI were informed of the recent security flaw in IOS 9.3 whilst it was in beta and so were able to upgrade the phone and access photos/contacts. Apple have since plugged this hole. But, no point trying to argue with a two year old so they should let it go.
No way. Just having access to photos and contacts isn't very useful. They would still need Apple's assistance if that were the case. They unlocked the phone.
On another note, this whole dilemma reminds me a lot of piracy. Lots will try to figure out how to control the situation. The problem is, the situation is uncontrollable. The FBI will always need ways to get into phones and Apple will always have holes in their software to get in.
No comments yet on the phrase "major terrorism investigation". Seems to me they are investigating a workplace violence incident by a couple who had illusions of grandeur. I am certain there is no useful information on their phone. Fortunately for the FBI, they do not have to disclose that to the public.
Hey if you don't like america, well you can gettt out!
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its not illegal, because the company that extracted the software is not in america, therefore does not fall under grounds for civil litigation .
1) FBI may just be doing damage control. Last thing was that it was too early to tell if there was anything important on that phone. (I am sure there wasn't, but it's 50/50 )
2)If they are telling any senators how they did it, we will find out.
3) Apple could be interested, but for what they will do next it's not important.
Most methods have been known and since it's all devised by humans , it can be solved by humans.
4) This entire thing is not over yet. There will be attempts to pass legislation.
To take from the fact that somebody cracked /or didn't crack on old model iPhone that Apple isn't serious about iPhone security, just makes me say :You can't be serious!
The Senate hearings with Google were funny enough- I can't imagine the looks on Senators' faces trying to understand this tech.
Surely you're not referring to me. I love this country.
I'm sick of career politicians like Feinstein who get so used to political power and using taxpayer money to further their own agendas that they develop a God complex and think that everyone must bow the knee to them and to the government, in general.
Politicians like Feinstein forgot long ago they are servants of the People and they think that we all exist to serve them and to enable their entitled lifestyle. These career politicians get so used to doing largely as they please with our money and their power that they get incredibly offended whenever anyone (Apple, in this case) tells them, "No."
What an ignorant statement. America exists because the people there in the 1700s didn't like it. You don't gettt (sic) to tell others to leave. Then again, based on your statement, it appears you don't like the Constitution much.
Yes, and no elected representative is above the Constitution. I am dismayed at how Congress has played into the hands of the terrorists by invading privacy. Perhaps that one of the reasons why the public approval rating of Congress is <15%, the lowest since Gallup started tracking public approval of Congress (see link).
Feinstein doesn't get much. She belongs in a nursing home, not Congress.
Just like I expect everyone in the FBI was reasonably sure there was nothing of import on the phone, Apple has to be reasonably sure of the method the FBI used to get in. Despite theatrics on either side (or more often, their supporters) I'm sure neither was/is sweating a lack of cooperation from the other in these sense.
Edit to add: I am a bit surprised by Senator Feinstein's attitude. I know she likes a strong state (in support of her philosophy as is typically the case for any political bent) but I would didn't expect that harsh of a viewpoint.
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That's a nice sentiment to express but impractical. Most people need an income to live. This would likely insure that only the independently wealthy would write laws, I'm sure most people would take issue with that. There's also the case to be made (and I'm sure there are many many examples of this not being true) of trying to attract great candidates with attractive compensation. Why should I take a pay cut to work in congress? Some would truly do it for the public good and some may just be political wonks but then you'd be attracting a slew of people solely in for the collection of power (more so than today). There's no perfect answer but I disagree with your proposal.
Edit to add: I am a bit surprised by Senator Feinstein's attitude. I know she likes a strong state (in support of her philosophy as is typically the case for any political bent) but I would didn't expect that harsh of a viewpoint.
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That's a nice sentiment to express but impractical. Most people need an income to live. This would likely insure that only the independently wealthy would write laws, I'm sure most people would take issue with that. There's also the case to be made (and I'm sure there are many many examples of this not being true) of trying to attract great candidates with attractive compensation. Why should I take a pay cut to work in congress? Some would truly do it for the public good and some may just be political wonks but then you'd be attracting a slew of people solely in for the collection of power (more so than today). There's no perfect answer but I disagree with your proposal.