FBI Concerned With New Default Encryption Settings in iOS and Android Devices

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    The FBI has been in talks with Apple and Google about the way the technology companies are marketing the privacy features in their smartphones, according to FBI Director James Comey (via The Huffington Post). Comey says that he is concerned that the two companies are "marketing something expressly to allow people to place themselves above the law."

    Comey's remarks come following both privacy changes introduced with iOS 8 and a new privacy site that Apple introduced last week, explaining that the company has altered the way encryption works in iOS 8. Apple no longer stores the encryption keys for devices in iOS 8, making it impossible for it to unlock content on devices under police request.

    "Unlike our competitors, Apple cannot bypass your passcode and therefore cannot access your data," reads its new privacy site. "So it's not technically feasible for us to respond to government warrants for the extraction of this data from devices in their possession running iOS 8."

    Shortly after Apple announced the encryption changes to iOS 8, Google announced that the next generation of Android, set to be released next month, will also encrypt data by default, providing the same encryption protections to its smartphones that a passcode provides to iPhones.

    According to Comey, though he understands the need for privacy, he believes government access to electronic devices is necessary in some cases.
    He goes on to say that one day, it may matter "a great, great deal" that the government be able to infiltrate "a kidnapper's or a terrorist or a criminal's device." His goal, he says, is to have a "good conversation" in the country "before that day comes."

    The exact nature of the talks between FBI officials and Apple and Google remains unknown, with Comey only stating that the discussion has been over the "marketing of their devices."

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    Article Link: FBI Concerned With New Default Encryption Settings in iOS and Android Devices
  2. impulse462 macrumors 68000


    Jun 3, 2009
    yep, lets throw away everyones privacy to catch a thief. makes sense
  3. arian19 macrumors 6502


    Jul 9, 2008
    Shouldn't the FBI be more concerned with PRISM
  4. d4rkc4sm macrumors 6502


    Apr 23, 2011
  5. Sonmi451 Suspended

    Aug 28, 2014
    **** the FBI. I'll let you decide what those 4 asterisks mean.
  6. impulse462 macrumors 68000


    Jun 3, 2009
    people like you ruin it for everyone else
  7. Glassed Silver macrumors 68020

    Glassed Silver

    Mar 10, 2007
    Kassel, Germany
  8. thedeejay macrumors 65816


    Aug 16, 2012
    Toronto, Canada.
  9. ghettochris macrumors 6502a

    Feb 19, 2008
  10. bradl macrumors 68040


    Jun 16, 2008
    Comey doesn't get it.

    If he supports the 4th Amendment (like he says he does), then he needs to get a warrant and serve it to the suspect, to have their device unlocked. Apple is not the suspect in any investigation like he describes.

    It sounds like he is complaining because the usual circumventions they had to get around the 4th Amendment are no longer available.. as it should be.

  11. Ja Di ksw macrumors 65816

    Ja Di ksw

    Apr 9, 2003
    I hate how authorities view the desire for privacy as the same as desire to cover up a crime. There are plenty of reasons to want to keep legal activities private other than committing a crime.
  12. proline macrumors 6502a

    Nov 18, 2012
    The reality is that the mere existence of any kind of electronic back door is a major threat to user security that far outweighs any occasional benefit to legitimate police investigations.
  13. SavMBP15 macrumors 6502

    Mar 26, 2010
    What a bunch of @#$*!

    What about all the data that is in my head??? The government is pissed they cannot have that too.
  14. aprofetto8 macrumors regular

    Jul 26, 2010
    FBI's trying to hack my phone!

    installs iOS 8.0.1

    Nice try, effers.
  15. flash84x macrumors regular

    Aug 5, 2011
    Keep instilling these fears in your citizens to breach their privacy... If there is a backdoor for you eventually anyone else can break into it.
  16. filmantopia macrumors 6502a


    Feb 5, 2010
    Exactly! But they do have a system for that and it's called torture.
  17. Glassed Silver macrumors 68020

    Glassed Silver

    Mar 10, 2007
    Kassel, Germany
    Haha, and of course he plays the "think of the children card".
    Boy, that's getting super old!

    Glassed Silver:mac
  18. Arcus macrumors 6502a


    Dec 28, 2004
    of my hand will get me slapped.
    ""marketing something expressly to allow people to place themselves above the law."

    I am not above the law just because I dont want to include people in the conversation that I deem to not be allowed in my conversation. This statement is very Orwellian.
  19. brendu macrumors 68020

    Apr 23, 2009
    It seems to me that it would be perfectly fair for the FBI to get a warrant requiring a suspect to unlock their phone so that it can be searched much the same way their house is. The FBI doesn't go to the bank that owns your house when they want to search it and likewise shouldn't go to apple to get my data. Serve me a warrant saying I have to give it to you or I go to jail. That's how lawful search and seizure works. Deal with it FBI.
  20. Black Belt macrumors 6502a

    Black Belt

    Jun 15, 2007
  21. ThisIsNotMe Suspended

    Aug 11, 2008
    And what happens if they do get a warrant and the suspect refuses to unlock their device? That is the issue.

    If the police have a warrant to search my house, they have a variety of means to gain entry if I do not unlock the door.

    Hell, if I own a safe and the government has a warrant, safe manufacturers will assist in opening the safe.
  22. leroypants Suspended

    Jul 17, 2010
  23. jlasoon macrumors 6502a

    Jun 1, 2006
    Orlando, FL
    I'm starting to really hate all forms of government.

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