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Comey doesn't get it.

If he supports the 4th Amendment (like he says he does), then he needs to get a warrant and serve it to the suspect, to have their device unlocked. Apple is not the suspect in any investigation like he describes.

It sounds like he is complaining because the usual circumventions they had to get around the 4th Amendment are no longer available.. as it should be.

BL.

Damn right. If the police need to find evidence on my phone, they can get a warrant for ME and MY PHONE, not Apple.
 
It seems to me that it would be perfectly fair for the FBI to get a warrant requiring a suspect to unlock their phone so that it can be searched much the same way their house is. The FBI doesn't go to the bank that owns your house when they want to search it and likewise shouldn't go to apple to get my data. Serve me a warrant saying I have to give it to you or I go to jail. That's how lawful search and seizure works. Deal with it FBI.

Totally agree. If anyone needs my data, they can ask me. If I refuse, they can compel me, but they canNOT circumvent me to get it. My data is my data. Full stop.
 
Good. Ever since the Patriot Act, we've given up far too much of our civil liberties and privacy. Big brother is truly alive and well in the usa. This has got to stop. And I applaud Apple for protecting our privacy.
 
Ah, but

i have nothing to hide...

But you do lock the bathroom door when you take a ****, do you not?

Whilst I am certainly on the side of keeping privacy private, I do see the point here.
If a court order is issued, and there is evidence pointing towards someone having broken the law, and that the person's phone or tablet or whatever may aid the law, I believe it should be possible to access the data, although not easily.

The government having access to anyone's data at all time (like PRISM) is another thing, and I am completely against that. Apple, show us that the future won't be 1984 either.
 
According to Comey, though he understands the need for privacy, he believes government access to electronic devices is necessary in some cases.He goes on to say that one day, it may matter "a great, great deal" that the government be able to infiltrate "a kidnapper's or a terrorist or a criminal's device." His goal, he says, is to have a "good conversation" in the country "before that day comes."

Well bless his sweet heart.
 
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Using the subject of Children, to influence votes to strip privacy from law abiding citizens is getting as old as them using 'war on terror'.

Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for the protection of children, but they need to stop using our children's safety as a key to access personal data.
 
You have our world intelligence agencies (NSA) and associated agencies (FBI) who have benefitted from the "get all the information we used to have to have a warrant for without having to have a warrant - and its really easy now" bonanza that smartphones have provided to the NSA and FBI (and police departments) up to this point (and the destruction of personal privacy that represents).

This is the kind of response you get from the leadership of these agencies as they are about to loose the ability to pilfer at will a small section of the personal property/data of their citizenry.

They'll still be able to use warrants to get all the targeted information they need (as well as people's wide open e-mail etc.)…they just won't be able to spy for a personal or political whim (in defiance of the U.S. constitution) on the iPhones on iOS 8 of citizens in the U.S. and elsewhere.

The fact that you can't have freedom and democracy without the privacy of it's citizenry, that these organizations have actively destroyed and pillaged over the last decade, always seems to fly over their shortsighted heads...
 
"Marketing something expressly to allow people to place themselves above the law."

Change "law" to "law-breaking government agencies" and it might be more precise.
 
Comey says that he is concerned that the two companies are "marketing something expressly to allow people to place themselves above the law."

Comey should talk. This would not have occurred if certain agencies within the US chose to put themselves above the law and wantonly systematically violate the civil rights and privacy of citizens.
 
I hope Apple and Google tell them where to go when they start asking.

You know where this is heading, the FBI will want some kind of master decryption key or for Apple to introduce a vulnerability in to their encryption algorithm so that it can be cracked with the right tool.

These devices are an extension of our minds, we put our thoughts into them. We put intimate moments into them. We should have the right to deny that information from being put out there in the public domain and the courts have the right to hold anyone in contempt who refuses to unlock their device.
 
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"I like and believe very much that we should have to obtain a warrant from an independent judge to be able to take the content of anyone's closet or their smart phone," he said. "The notion that someone would market a closet that could never be opened -- even if it involves a case involving a child kidnapper and a court order -- to me does not make any sense."

I wonder that the director of FBI (who is supposed to be a smart man) does not realise how ridiculously stupid that comparison is.
 
Comey doesn't get it.

If he supports the 4th Amendment (like he says he does), then he needs to get a warrant and serve it to the suspect, to have their device unlocked. Apple is not the suspect in any investigation like he describes.
Of late the government only supports the 4th Amendment when it is convenient to them. This is the fundamental problem here.
It sounds like he is complaining because the usual circumventions they had to get around the 4th Amendment are no longer available.. as it should be.

BL.
Yep you hit the nail on the head here.

Beyond that if the device only uses a 4 digit pass code it ought to be pretty simple to eventually find the code the hard way. If they don't have the physical device and thus haven't served a warrant what are they complaining about. Simply put if they respect the 4 th amendment this is not a problem for anybody.
 
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