FBI Concerned With New Default Encryption Settings in iOS and Android Devices

[terraphantm]

They are not the same thing today.

I concede that conservatives may be (by and large) - registered republicans. The republican party may have traditionally been the only viable antithesis available as a counter to democrat tyranny, but it certainly doesn't mean all republicans are conservative. In fact, too few are. The big problem with republicans today is that the establishment has openly and willingly distanced itself from conservative, traditional values. No one knows what the GOP stands for anymore, except appeasement, since it's leadership stopped fighting for its soul and just surrendered it to the left.

Both parties are far more conservative than they were in the past. They might be slightly less religious and less discriminatory towards minorities in the past (which is a good thing, though I'm barely seeing that with many of today's republicans), but in all other aspects they are more conservative than even 20 years ago. If you really think they're too liberal, it seems like they've also got a very effective reality distortion field.

I'm all for fiscal conservatism, but today's conservatives (who I maintain primarily associate themselves with the GOP) are too backwards on everything else. I cannot support a party that practically institutionalizes discrimination.

 

[Hieveryone]

This not APPLE OR GOOGLE'S problem!!!! This is the FBI's problem!!!

We have a RIGHT to privacy. It's their job to catch thieves while following the law regarding our rights!

 

[vrDrew]

The Intelligence and Law Enforcement communities have only brought this upon themselves.

Now I may carry my iPad into and out of the United States without having to worry that an Immigration Agent can seize it - for absolutely no reason whatsoever - and look through my photos, list of contacts, and whatever other personal information that device contained.

For a decade or more they have collectively over-reached in both their widespread surveillance of the entire US population, and in their seizure of individuals' devices.

Will this new encryption scheme from Apple (likely to be matched by Google, Samsung, etc.) mean that some data from terrorists and criminals will be inaccessible to the NSA and law enforcement? Yes.

But that doesn't equate to the intelligence or law enforcement catastrophe they would have you believe. A court order will not prevent them from accessing call records. It does not prevent wiretaps. And it does not prevent or eliminate the whole host of other investigative techniques available.

The FBI solved thousands of kidnapping cases in the decades before smartphones existed. They'll keep solving them in the future.

 

[leroypants]

Ios8 will now be the default choice for pedophile, rapists, drug dealers, kidnappers and other criminals. I wonder how Tim Cook sleeps at night knowing he is protecting and enabaling criminals.

 

[leroypants]

Sorry Mr. And Mrs. Graham we believe Jessie Mathews phone contains information about the location of your daughter but we can't get that information due to Apple's encryption of the data.

 

[DELLsFan]

Both parties are far more conservative than they were in the past. They might be slightly less religious and less discriminatory towards minorities in the past (which is a good thing, though I'm barely seeing that with many of today's republicans), but in all other aspects they are more conservative than even 20 years ago. If you really think they're too liberal, it seems like they've also got a very effective reality distortion field.

I'm all for fiscal conservatism, but today's conservatives (who I maintain primarily associate themselves with the GOP) are too backwards on everything else. I cannot support a party that practically institutionalizes discrimination.

But you can support the other that institutionalizes dependence, lawlessness, & socialism just so you (or your friend/family) can get married to the same sex? Reality is apparently irrelevant to ideologues. I don't expect you to take my word for it, but your choice(s) have been fomenting discrimination to this country in ways you will ironically refuse to acknowledge until it is too late.

I'll let you in on the secret: You won't be able to eat the cake you forced the bakery down the street to bake you if you don't have a head. Muslims don't like gays either.

 

[pacalis]

Sorry Mr. And Mrs. Graham we believe Jessie Mathews phone contains information about the location of your daughter but we can't get that information due to Apple's encryption of the data.

All modern legal systems as well as international treatise of human rights hold the Highest principle of the presumption of innocence.

To require gross access to all our activities and communications on the presumption of guilt, is the opposite of a moral, humanitarian and community principle of justice.

 

[leroypants]

All modern legal systems as well as international treatise of human rights hold the Highest principle of the presumption of innocence.

To require gross access to all our activities and communications on the presumption of guilt, is the opposite of a moral, humanitarian and community principle of justice.

Are you glad that rapists, child killers, and terrorists will now be protected by Apple?

 

[DELLsFan]

Are you glad that rapists, child killers, and terrorists will now be protected by Apple?

Non Sequitor.

I'll bet you blame gun manufacturers for all those deaths in Detroit and Chicago too?

 

[leroypants]

Non Sequitor.

I'll bet you blame gun manufacturers for all those deaths in Detroit and Chicago too?

Google "Rashad Deihim" and the get back to me with your apology.

 

[bit density]

The gov should be able to crack the code in minutes, not 5 ½ years as claimed...

The key is to create a rainbow table of the 6 char passcode keys (48 bit keys, but there are probably large swathes that could be ignored or checked last). with the first few characters (<10 probably, but even say 10) of the code stream. This should all fit in memory of your key breaking machine.

Take a predictable file from the devices phone. Could be a PDF, and Ebook, the mail file, the settings file, anyone where the first few characters are known or predicable.

There is a likelihood that the several keys may work, but as they are discovered, pass the rainbow code for the candidate key to the next level decryption machine and run it. If it works go on, if it fails, then report back and get the next candidate.

This process should at most take minutes, and quite possibly just in real time to get the decrypted files of an iPhone. (This is based on the fact that many many file types have predictable beginnings that describe file structure usually, or simply some sort of ID information), and therefore you only need a very short set of crypto characters for testing, and that you can simply one off this with a rainbow type file. A list of all the keys and the beginnings of their crypto streams. Combine the two and voila.

 

[Breaking Good]

If you're searching for someone to blame, look in a mirror.

I'm tired of government hatred. Police states don't exist when people participate in the political process, (And yes, that sometimes means doing more than just voting. Especially when your choices are between bad and worse.)

We got the government we deserve.

Bravo, Mr. fusion! Bravo!

The United States is a democracy and we've elected the government that we deserved.

And you can't blame this on a political party. It started under one and was continued and expanded when the other came to power.

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Sorry Mr. And Mrs. Graham we believe Jessie Mathews phone contains information about the location of your daughter but we can't get that information due to Apple's encryption of the data.

First, why do the police believe the phone has information?

Second, if he had his phone on, it would have been pinging cell towers. So it would be a relatively simple matter to figure where he had been.

 

[roadbloc]

**** the law. I desire privacy.

 

[zioxide]

Bravo, Mr. fusion! Bravo!

The United States is a democracy and we've elected the government that we deserved.

And you can't blame this on a political party. It started under one and was continued and expanded when the other came to power.

The United States isn't a democracy. It's a constitutional republic that's morphed into a corporatocracy. Both parties are bought and paid for by big business, and no matter who you vote for they put big business over the citizens.

 

[fehhkk]

Ios8 will now be the default choice for pedophile, rapists, drug dealers, kidnappers and other criminals. I wonder how Tim Cook sleeps at night knowing he is protecting and enabaling criminals.

How about you submit your phone for a search to make sure YOU are not a pedophile?

 

[albertfallickwa]

I like this about my new iPhone 6. No more NSA Bull following me around anymore .

 

[NT1440]

I like this about my new iPhone 6. No more NSA Bull following me around anymore .

Any traffic you send on the web is already intercepted almost anywhere in the world. Your phone doesn't matter.

 

[leroypants]

How about you submit your phone for a search to make sure YOU are not a pedophile?

I have nothing to fear if the government got a warrant for my phone, I highly doubt you could say the same thing.

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I like this about my new iPhone 6. No more NSA Bull following me around anymore .

No kidding, now people can freely take upskirt pictures of innocent women and have those pictures protected from Law enforcement by Apple.

 

[bradl]

I have nothing to fear if the government got a warrant for my phone, I highly doubt you could say the same thing.

Everyone can say the same thing. That is what the 4th Amendment is for.

No kidding, now people can freely take upskirt pictures of innocent women and have those pictures protected from Law enforcement by Apple.

So you would rather the government usurp the Constitution and your rights by simply sending a subpoena to Apple to get your data, without your permission?

If so, you have thrown your rights out the window, and are not worthy of the laws protecting you. Perhaps you'd live a better life in the DPRK.

BL.

 

[leroypants]

Everyone can say the same thing. That is what the 4th Amendment is for.

Actually people like you have no idea what the 4th amendment is or what it means, so you all you do by comment on it is embarrass yourself.

So you would rather the government usurp the Constitution and your rights by simply sending a subpoena to Apple to get your data, without your permission?

Should the government never be allowed under any cercamstances even with a warrant be allowed access to the data of suspected or convicted child killers, rapists, pedophiles?

If so, you have thrown your rights out the window, and are not worthy of the laws protecting you.

Sorry, you are right it would be an outrage if police with a warrant had access to pictures a rapist took of his victim on his phone.

Perhaps you'd live a better life in the DPRK.

Perhaps you should take a 5th grade social Studdies class where they discuss topics like the constitution since you are completely oblivious to and udderly clueless about it.

 

[Designer Dale]

But you do lock the bathroom door when you take a ****, do you not?

Whilst I am certainly on the side of keeping privacy private, I do see the point here.
If a court order is issued, and there is evidence pointing towards someone having broken the law, and that the person's phone or tablet or whatever may aid the law, I believe it should be possible to access the data, although not easily.

The government having access to anyone's data at all time (like PRISM) is another thing, and I am completely against that. Apple, show us that the future won't be 1984 either.

I see you are in a civilized country (Denmark). For those of us here in the United States the issue is if a device has a back door, all the government has to do is crack it and they don't need company help or permission anymore. Then they deploy an automated system that vacuums data from your device as soon as you connect to the Internet.

In the US, the government is very interested in what all of it's people do all of the time.

The only remedy is to not have a back door.

Dale

 

[bradl]

Perhaps you should take a 5th grade social Studdies class where they discuss topics like the constitution since you are completely oblivious to and udderly clueless about it.

Looking at the spelling and grammatical errors in this statement, I'd say that the pot is calling the kettle black.

But I digress. I refer you to the thread I created about your data vs. the 4th Amendment. I suggest you read that before harping on anyone regarding comprehension of the Constitution, because from what I've seen from your posts, you've already thrown one of your rights out the window; it's easy to guess what others you'd discard as well.

BL.

 

[leroypants]

Looking at the spelling and grammatical errors in this statement, I'd say that the pot is calling the kettle black.

Sorry used Siri...she pretty much sucks.

But I digress. I refer you to the thread I created about your data vs. the 4th Amendment. I suggest you read that before harping on anyone regarding comprehension of the Constitution, because from what I've seen from your posts, you've already thrown one of your rights out the window; it's easy to guess what others you'd discard as well.

BL.

My rights are not being throw out the window, so not only are you overly dramatic but you are also wrong. The police with a warrant should be able to access data with a warrant of suspected rapists, kidnappers, child killers, and pedophiles. As of now Apple will protect those people from prosecution.

Should the Police and the FBI with warrants have access to the data on Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev's computers and cell phones...yes or no?

 

[pacalis]

Are you glad that rapists, child killers, and terrorists will now be protected by Apple?

Wow. Genius post. Here I thought we could live in a world driven by laws protecting human dignity. I didn't realize that the encryption of Apple devices would cause a worldwide spike in rapes, child killing and terrorism.

 

[bradl]

Sorry used Siri...she pretty much sucks.



My rights are not being throw out the window, so not only are you overly dramatic but you are also wrong. The police with a warrant should be able to access data with a warrant of suspected rapists, kidnappers, child killers, and pedophiles. As of now Apple will protect those people from prosecution.

You still don't get it.

The police would serve the warrant to the SUSPECT, not Apple. Apple is the 3rd party to the entire investigation, and is not obligated to turn over anything to the FBI or any investigator with regards to the warrant.

Should the Police and the FBI with warrants have access to the data on Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev's computers and cell phones...yes or no?

They are the suspects and arrested as such. The police would have to get the warrant to search their property, which they rightfully could and should. If they were not arrested, they would need a warrant to search Tsaenaev's property. They should not be able to bypass the 4th Amendment and subpoena Apple or any other third party for access to the suspect's data.

If they are already arrested for the crime in question, then that is a different story. If they are not, they need a warrant.

Apple is not protecting them as you are grandstanding. Apple is making sure that the FBI and any investigator follows the letter of the law and the Constitution; as the FBI and investigators should be doing to begin with.

BL.