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No, because Apple will change how they do things, and the specific backdoor will be closed. Back to square one.
I've seen several post stating Apple would close the backdoor. My question: How could Apple close the backdoor if they don't know the method that created the backdoor? They would have to know what to fix to design a fix.
 
I'd rather the US Government not try to forcibly draft a private company to become a forensic arm of law enforcement.

But this is already done with the phone companies and banks. The law requires that they operate their equipment and keep their records in a way that provides access to lawful law enforcement warrants.

My guess is that when the Congress takes this up, this same law will be extended to mobile device manufacturers like Apple, and they will have to do this as well. There is no way the Congress is going to allow a space where law enforcement and security agencies cannot lawfully search if necessary.
 
Then by all means, please explain to me how Apple would close the backdoor.

The backdoor is in possible with what it's available now. They just need to shuffle things a little bit (add an extra layer? change the algorithms? change chip vendors?).
 
As I said a while back.

What would be safer for everyone?

Apple, under their own total control accessing the data themselves and presenting just the data to the FBI.

Or some third party team working out how to access data on iPhones?

If we presume SOME 3rd party will be able to recover data at some point in time, which of the two scenarios do you feel would be preferable ?

So if Apple broke into the phone, everyone else who's trying (and has been trying for a long time) will just stop and say "Oh - no point in us doing it now"?
 
"Should you choose to accept this mission..."

Tom Cruisefeldsohn in Israel is on the case!

Won't hold my breath, but I bet we will not find out if anything important is/was on that phone.
(Classified) for national security.
I love that they describing what can be done in great detail, so everybody with an electronic kit from Radio Shack can try to duplicate it.

Makes everybody fee real safe.

Good job FBI!
 
So if Apple broke into the phone, everyone else who's trying (and has been trying for a long time) will just stop and say "Oh - no point in us doing it now"?

If a 3rd party does it and doesn't share how (specifically) they did - then it's in the wild. Personally, I'd rather have Apple have that knowledge.
 
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If this company cracks the iphone then the FBI will pay them to make a backdoor program for all future iPhones. Good job, Apple!.

*Sigh* If they are capable of doing it they will, whether the FBI pay them or not, whether Apple comply with the FBI's wishes or not..
 
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If they do manage to unlock it, it really wouldn't surprise me if they find absolutely nothing - and then to avoid embarrassment they plant information regarding the Brussels bombing on the phone just to cover their asses, shift the public's opinion in order to set a future precident and also make Apple look like asses, all in one fell swoop.
 
If a 3rd party does it and doesn't share how (specifically) they did - then it's in the wild. Personally, I'd rather have Apple have that knowledge.

What?! And how will Apple creating a second exploit stop the first one from existing? An OEM deliberately creating an exploit is only bad news, how can you not see this?
 
This whole thing will be bad for Apple if it is found you can unlock an iPhone anyways, once again. While I applaud Apple for not caving in to the FBI and offering them a hack tool or backdoor, the fact that an independent party found a way into the phone anyways is pretty bad for Apple.

Apple is too rich a company and has too many people and resources for them to continuously release phones and iOS with security exploits. Apple makes their own hardware, they make their own software, they distribute their own products; why can't this company make their hardware the most secure devices on the planet? Q/A and Security should be Apple's top priorities, not removing headphone jacks and making their phones thinner. If Apple wants to be the champion of people's rights, security and privacy then invest all them billions in obscene profit margins back into the quality of their products, not building grandiose UFO looking headquarters.

While I am sure that momentous effort is going to unlocking this one particular phone and it's not an exploit for the casual hacker, just go on YouTube and see ALL the videos over the years of how people have bypassed the lock screen on the iPhone simply by accessing the camera or panel or something else and poking around a little.

Apple can't be a poser and fight for the people while their products continue to be hackable anyways.
 
The backdoor is in possible with what it's available now. They just need to shuffle things a little bit (add an extra layer? change the algorithms? change chip vendors?).
This is an iPhone 5C with no secure enclave. Chances are fairly good that the method they will use won't be directly applicable to newer iPhones, or even to the iPhone 5S.
 
I don't understand the connection here. Vanunu is an Israeli citizen and the crime he committed was against his country. Where does the U.S. come in here?

OTHO McAfee has never been formally charged with a crime in Belize and therefore no extradition request has been made for the U.S. to deny.

Also Vanunu is a criminal. McAfee is mostly an eccentric kook.


I don't understand the connection here. Vanunu is an Israeli citizen and the crime he committed was against his country. Where does the U.S. come in here?

OTHO McAfee has never been formally charged with a crime in Belize and therefore no extradition request has been made for the U.S. to deny.

Also Vanunu is a criminal. McAfee is mostly an eccentric kook.

The American goverment like to think they are the 'police force' of the world.
Then they should do the right think and put pressure on Israel to release Mordechai to do and go where he so chooses.

With regard to McAfee. Belize didn't have a chance to question him properly as he did a 'runner' before they had a chance.
My point is if the US want to question someone they get their way.
I wonder what would happen if Belize asked to question McAfee. You know the answer to that as does everyone else.

With regard to Mordechai Vananu being a criminal if you call the way he was captured and tried 'just' then obviously you dont know the full history of the case.
 
Dear Anonymous,

Please add Cellebrite to your list. Looks like they could use a good hacking right about now to stop them in their tracks.

Sincerely,

The few remaining American people who care about privacy rights

Except what they are doing is more difficult and can't be replicated outside of a lab with special equipment.
 
For an organization with as many resources at its disposal as the FBI, this seems trivial to me. They could make a single purpose machine which does nothing but continually restore the memory and makes password guesses.

That's what MuscleNerd said in his blog. Take a copy of the Kernel memory, have 5 guesses, reload Kernel memory, have another 5 etc etc .. Would take time to unsolder/resolder, but not impossible. A 'socket' could also be used so that would be unnecessary.
 
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iOS 8 AFAIK still has the ....1 minute then 5 minute delay in the OS on 32-bit Socs. I can just see someone with a bus Pirate resetting the bad guess counter value in NAND every few tries.
 
what really puzzles me is that the FBI will prosecute you if you playfully modify Windows but won't do anything to a corporation who is selling to other companies and governments how to crack one of the most secure items
 
I've seen several post stating Apple would close the backdoor. My question: How could Apple close the backdoor if they don't know the method that created the backdoor? They would have to know what to fix to design a fix.

Future headline: Apple Acquires Unnamed Israeli Mobile Security Company.
Just kidding...

My guess is that, without regards to the outcome of this current development, iOS9 will have a complete rewrite of it's security and encryption protocols. And the FBI thought a 5c was one bad cookie...

Dale
 
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