FBI Forensic Examiner Stephen Flatley Calls Apple 'Jerks' and 'Evil Geniuses' for Encrypting iPhones

[IowaLynn]

All the corporate secrets, trade deals, taxes and finance, blueprints, all the things that are kept in a SAFE under lock and key. And protected from unreasonable search.

All the data mining of governments, private sector, metadata, a database of everyone, everything. Every data point.

But where is probable cause? Where does it end when nothing is allowed to be secure and private?

NSA complaints about Fourth Amendment date back to 2000 and earlier.

 

[ctdonath]

I contend the "master key", "back door", and "firehose" (FBI etc just gathers _everything_ then asks a judge for permission to search it later) access the FBI is demanding amounts to a 3rd Amendment violation. One major purpose of "quartering soldiers" in private homes (which the 3rd forbids) was an ability to observe the goings-on there in minute detail: looking for evidence, looking for indications of wrongdoing, and/or intimidating occupants into compliance. Current demands for keys & data streams amounts to the same thing, just in a one-off manner intended to look Constitutional at a glance but still render the 3rd & 4th Amendments moot. One cannot "be secure in one's papers" when gov't agents can easily access one's data remotely on some rubber-stamped pretext.

 

[danpass]

will the FBI guarantee the security of my data, my manuscripts, contacts, emails, etc?

No?

Then eat chit.

 

[ksnell]

Only fake to the Fake President and his hating & blind supporters.

Even Wikipedia states the author admitted part of it is fake/inaccurate.

 

[kingtj]

When you start angering the FBI guys, you know you're doing something right. Things I spend good money to keep private should stay that way. If I have a safe that's so good, you can't break into it after months of trying, that's what's called a quality product.

 

[batchtaster]

An excellent demonstration that everyone is the hero of their own story.

 

[DeepIn2U]

boo hoo

To ... Senior FBI forensic examiner Stephen R. Flatley, thank you for the today's comedic relief! This is almost as good as a classic Charlie Chaplin silent film.

Epic humour!

 

[npmacuser5]

A thought...If I were the FBI, and could get into the iPhone, this is exactly what I would do. Make everyone think they were safe from the big bad Government. I would sue Apple, make a big deal out of our so called failures, use scare tactics, all to deflect from my real abilities. The current hardware so called bug an example. I bet there are more very cleaver well hidden ways in.

Reminds me of the Turin Machine during WWII. The most important aspect of cracking the German code, not letting them know it was cracked. Every decision based on the machine cracking, using the information in away the Germans thought was accidental good luck by the Allies. Same today, a whole lot of misdirection.
Just a thought!

 

[doctor-don]

I don't keep anything on my electronic devices that are criminal in nature. Nor do i keep anything on my electronic devices that most people would consider immoral. I do know that criminals are using their electronic devices to commit crimes. I really would like it to be easier for law enforcement to catch these criminals. I do not have a problem with law enforcement being able to access my phone. I do have a problem with unethical law enforcement employees getting a hold of my financial information and stealing from my accounts. At the end of the day, law enforcement does not care about what you are doing unless you are breaking the law and endangering others.
Yes I want an encryption that will ensure that criminals do not get a hold of my information.

Sorry, bub, but they - as well as the criminals - have NO business getting into MY business, financial, personal or otherwise. I am not a criminal and nothing on my phone is criminal, but it IS my business that needs to remain secured.

 

[Tech198]

lol ... 'jerks'''

I'm surprised a high ranking FBI would use that language. When things get all to much, cave in.

In a way, since they closed down Lavabit due to not cor-operating with handing over secure encryption evidence. the pieces were all there with Apple.

Apple are on U.S jurisdiction,, but the FBI just decided to not fight, and give up when it can to try and 'force" Apple to decrypt or write code for an iPhone they could not break..

What's the point of a higher power if you choose how to play ball, even when you can ?

 

[saudade]

I wonder if saudade has curtains over his/her bedroom window?

Why? U wanna watch me when I sleep with my females o what? No problemo come 2 watch, and enjoy the view.

Now if you use a •courtain• to hide from NSA or FBI then dude...YOU have something 2 hide. I have no problem if they watch my thingz cause i now clean as my mother’s heart u know what I mean?

law enforcement does not care if u r cheating ur wife or saling some natural organic cigarettes 2 ur friends and thingz like that unless you are really breaking the law like i did before but no anymore amen

So in short, it’s pretty clear u r hiding something cuestionable maybe some biz maybe something else...That’s my humble conclusion. Proof in wrong or deal with it.

 

[DoctorTech]

Why? U wanna watch me when I sleep with my females o what? No problemo come 2 watch, and enjoy the view.

Now if you use a •courtain• to hide from NSA or FBI then dude...YOU have something 2 hide. I have no problem if they watch my thingz cause i now clean as my mother’s heart u know what I mean?

law enforcement does not care if u r cheating ur wife or saling some natural organic cigarettes 2 ur friends and thingz like that unless you are really breaking the law like i did before but no anymore amen

So in short, it’s pretty clear u r hiding something cuestionable maybe some biz maybe something else...That’s my humble conclusion. Proof in wrong or deal with it.

LOL . Your statement about "my females" is all I needed to read. Do you buy your females or just rent them?
And yes, you guessed it, the only reason I put curtains in my bedroom window is because I have so much "cuestionable biz" to hide from the NSA and the curtains keep them capturing metadata from all my calls and text messages. I'm going to have to move now and get different color curtains so the NSA won't find me again .

My whole point, which was obviously lost on you, is that just because someone values their privacy does not mean they have something to hide or that they are doing anything illegal. It is perfectly legal for me to take a dump in public restroom but I still close the stall door. According to your logic, since you aren't doing anything illegal, you should be willing to post all your email, Facebook, Twitter and Bank Account passwords on this forum. If you don't, then you obviously have something to hide

Oh, and by the way, ask Eric Garner if the NYPD cares about someone selling single tobacco cigarettes ("loosies") without a tax stamp. The NYC Medical Examiner ruled his death a homicide after he was put in a choke hold by one of the 4 police officers who arrested him. I guess law enforcement cared about his "cuestionable biz".

 

[wigby]

They didn't comply with the Warrant issued by the court to search the perpetrator's iPhone 5c. Instead, Cook pens an open letter to the world explaining why they are defying the court order.

Yes they did. They gave law enforcement instructions to retrieve data from phone but the feds screwed up and locked themselves out. Just because a search warrant is legally issued does not mean everyone must comply with it. They review every request and have compiled with thousands but this case was different and would've created a hole in their security so they appealed the order. The FBI eventually backed down so Apple never broke any law.
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This isn't what's on your phone.
It's what's in the cloud.
Don't store sensitive data on any cloud servers.

Agreed but there is a big difference between cloud data in the U.S. and cloud data in China. Apple reviews all lawful requests for cloud data in the U.S. They cannot do the same in China.
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It makes them like everyone else. They use the best tools available. Your company IT guys don't make their own firewalls or design their own networking equipment. Instead they go with someone that's far far better than they are at creating those things.

Except they're not like everyone else. They use taxpayer money to spy on taxpayers. That's why I was eluding to the fact that they are more evil than they are genius. I was making more of a morality argument than a technical one.

 

[Markoth]

Substitute Capital for government if you want the real story....

An evil man can use money to do evil. A good man can use money to do good. Both have been shown countless times throughout history as well. Money doesn't make people evil, it just enables them to be who they want to be anyway, you just don't hear as many news stories about the good ones. Take Bill Gates for example. He spends a massive chunk of his fortune on charity, just as many other wealthy individuals do. You can question their motives, but you can't question the good that it brings to the world.

Money in government is almost always synonymous with evil, because government is inherently evil. It is wrong to kill, but sometimes you need an assassin to defend yourself, we call them the military (or the guy who pulls the lever). It's wrong to hold someone against their will, yet we need the government to do just that to maintain the peace. Anything which gives the government too much power is dangerous, largely due to the fact that the government is by definition, above the law, and this naturally includes money.

Tl;dr: Congress critters are paid too much.

 

[NT1440]

An evil man can use money to do evil. A good man can use money to do good. Both have been shown countless times throughout history as well. Money doesn't make people evil, it just enables them to be who they want to be anyway, you just don't hear as many news stories about the good ones. Take Bill Gates for example. He spends a massive chunk of his fortune on charity, just as many other wealthy individuals do. You can question their motives, but you can't question the good that it brings to the world.
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Yea....that’s not what Gates actually does with his money. If you want excellent reporting on what foundations such as his actually do get yourself a copy of this: https://www.amazon.com/Such-Thing-Free-Gift-Philanthropy/dp/1784786233


Almost every foundation you can think of by name is a mix of money laundering and “market shaping” (prepping emerging countries for neoliberal economic rule) for upcoming middle classes.

Many of these foundations just pick up and leave when they don’t get the returns they expect, leaving countries worse off because a condition for much of this “help” is all healthcare infrastructure built up THROUGH these foundations. Meaning when they pick up and leave there is no DOMESTIC infrastructure, expertise, or skills left behind.

The fact that we actually respect these new oligarchs just shows how effective the PR aspects of their “charity” works has been.

No one wealthy person should have this kind of control, period. Hell even River DiNiro was recently exposed as a predatory capitalist: https://theintercept.com/2018/01/23/robert-de-niro-barbuda-hotel-hurricane-irma/

These people aren’t the friends of humanity, they’re friends of keeping an economic order in place that has siphoned most of the world’s wealth into their own coffers. They’ll do decent works of charity now and again, but your mistaken if you think any of them are even remotely interested in changing the system that allows their wealth to accumulate far and away faster than the pittance they contribute towards the common good.