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You know, one could easily see this as the FBI trying to get into everyone's phones, but it's also making them look really incompetent.
they are incompetent.
and in my opinion. Judge should not have an opinion. His job is to judge on case with provided evidence.

He can not order company change business. Same applies. If a Locker company would be ordered to create crappy lock, so in case of emergency police could get in. On the other hand TSA has lock like that. Americans **** up everything.
 
they are incompetent.
and in my opinion. Judge should not have an opinion. His job is to judge on case with provided evidence.

He can not order company change business. Same applies. If a Locker company would be ordered to create crappy lock, so in case of emergency police could get in. On the other hand TSA has lock like that. Americans **** up everything.

There was an african man some years ago flying to USA with a bomb. His father was some kind of figure in the government and he called TSA and i think FBI that his son might be connected to radical islam fighters. Guess what happened? He was ignored. Luckily the bomb failed.

They should look in the mirror first.
 
Go Apple! What the FBI is pushing for is reckless. Don't cave, public opinion is on your side.
That by itself may not be enough; constant and massive bombardment of legislators by us the public, unequivocally communicating our staunch opposition to any opportunistic use of the 'All Writs Act' or subsequent demands by the Fed to create permanent 'back doors' going forward.

Perhaps the prospect of political suicide might give members of Congress reason to pause.
 
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This is telling me a few things. First, that my extreme confidence in my iPhone's contents being safe if it were ever stolen. Second, that the FBI, with all of their disposal and the NSA around the corner, still can't open a single phone and are having to call tech support for assistance. Really looking competent there, guys.
 
Who thought 1984 would arrive 32 years late?

The FBI and the US government are Big Brother. They are terrorists of the whole human race. Obama is the principal offender and must be removed from power at the earliest opportunity.
 
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Who thought 1984 would arrive 32 years late?

The FBI and the US government are Big Brother. They are terrorists of the whole human race. Obama is the principal offender and must be removed from power at the earliest opportunity.

And who you going to replace Obama with ? Donald Trump ??

Pray the next one in line is no one other then Jesus Christ..
 
As a megacorp, I've always found it rather unbelievable that Apple doesn't have the ability to crack it's own keys. But if they won't decrypt this phone because they genuinely can't, wouldn't that be a better argument to the Feds?

This is not about *THIS* iPhone 5c in question; but about the secure enclave (fingerprint data). It means: Apple build an iOS which bypasses the secure enclave !!!

RESULT: We don't need any secure enclave - we don't need any fingerprint reader, hell we don't need a PASSCODE. Because you have nothing to hide - DONT YOU ?
 
And who you going to replace Obama with ? Donald Trump ??

Pray the next one in line is no one other then Jesus Christ..

Your mention of Jesus is apt.

What America needs is a strong Christian leader who follows in the footsteps of Jesus. From what I've heard, Trump is not that leader, nor is Clinton.

The American government have no concept of dignity.
 
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Let's see if we can "investigate" Trump's iphone.

Trump went off the cuff, spoke too soon without knowing the true facts. That's why he has shut his mouth about the topic since. Even he knows now deep down what the Feds are asking is insane.

Trump isn't part of the establishment. He isn't a puppet and can't be bullied or bought. I don't love him but I sure do respect him on lots of topics. And rather have him than the other 2 front runners.
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And who you going to replace Obama with ? Donald Trump ??

Pray the next one in line is no one other then Jesus Christ..

Eww. I could go on and on about religion just being a tool for suppression but something tells me it will go right over your head.

And to be honest I think the pope made a fool of himself calling out a US political candidate. The pope is a hypocrite.
 
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The best kind of security is one you can show every aspect (code, mathematical theory, etc.) to everyone, friends and enemies, and everyone agrees, they can't break it. This is why Open Source is so powerful in the area of security: there is no false sense of security through obscurity.

Apple can't break the encryption because they didn't make the encryption. They specifically picked one they can't break. The FBI knows this. They aren't asking Apple to crack encryption. They are asking for a way to circumvent the secure enclave chip that will wipe the phone after 10 failed attempts at guessing the code. There's only 1 million codes to try, if they could try them one every 2 seconds, worst possible case, they would have the code in 23 days.

The reason Apple can't break this encryption is because of the fail safe measures put in place by themselves in their own products, using an architecture that they designed for themselves (however similar to others). This has nothing to do with Open Source - and AES encryption was not an Open Source endeavor. And of all security through obscurity, Open Source would be the best candidate for that. We saw what happened with OpenSSL and Heartbleed almost 2 years ago, for instance.
 
As a megacorp, I've always found it rather unbelievable that Apple doesn't have the ability to crack it's own keys. But if they won't decrypt this phone because they genuinely can't, wouldn't that be a better argument to the Feds?

As an example, my company has customers with accounts with passwords who give us their credit card numbers. We have absolutely no f***ing way to find out what password a customer is using. And we have absolutely no f***ing way to find out the customer's credit card number. That's intentional. That's security basics. If you want to make sure that something cannot be accessed by hackers, then you make sure that it cannot be accessed by yourself. (The password is security basics, the credit card number bit is also because of legal requirements, and because VISA and their friends would be very, VERY angry if we had any ability to find a customer's credit card number).
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Your mention of Jesus is apt.

What America needs is a strong Christian leader who follows in the footsteps of Jesus. From what I've heard, Trump is not that leader, nor is Clinton.

"If you want to build walls, and not bridges, then you are not a Christian".

Donald Trump has a real problem understanding what it means to be a Christian, and an even bigger problem acting as one. He is also acting like a petulant child complaining when the pope reminds him what it means to be a Christian. I suppose he just has a childish mentality.
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I'm hearing two things.

  1. That there is no key, period.
  2. That there may have been a key if they didn't change the password already. Apparently the iCloud backups can be accessed, which is interesting? If everything is being backed up, and those backups can be decrypted by Apple, doesn't that defeat the purpose of strong encryption on-device?

One must wonder.

The point of the encryption is not that nobody (with a legal search warrant) can access the device. The point of encryption is that no hacker, no matter how well equipped (for example a hacker with all the financial resources of China behind him) cannot hack into your data.

The iPhone can easily fall into an enemy's hands. Therefore it must be safe enough that even in the hands of an enemy with state resources it can't be cracked. The iPhone happily passes this test. Your iCloud backup is on Apple's servers, and they keep their servers safe from attackers. An attacker would have to break into Apple's servers, find Apple's encryption keys, and only then could they access your data. Apple prevents that. Your data is safe from hackers even though Apple can access it.

The difference is that Apple doesn't intentionally keep your iPhone data safe from a legal search warrant. That's just an unwanted side effect of the security that is needed for a phone that could be stolen at any time. With your iCloud data, yes, Apple can access it, but that doesn't make it insecure. The fact that it can be handed to the FBI if they have a legal search warrant is not an insecurity.
 
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Apple should comply with this request in the following way.

1. Tell the court they will put their best coder on the task of creating a new iOS to disable security
2. Promote the janator to the position of lead coder
3. Inform the court it will be at least a year for the code to be ready
4. Repeat every year until FBI goes away
 
they are incompetent.
and in my opinion. Judge should not have an opinion. His job is to judge on case with provided evidence.

He can not order company change business. Same applies. If a Locker company would be ordered to create crappy lock, so in case of emergency police could get in. On the other hand TSA has lock like that. Americans **** up everything.

Judge is a her not a him with no specific technical law knowledge, menaing she does not normally do tech based trials. She may well of course have a full personal knowledge of the implications and processes that would have to be done. But I for one had to read up on this to remotely understand encryption.

She is complying with the FBI I think rather than taking the Full unbias view.

1. This is utterly Pointless. There will be NOTHING on that phone of any use.
2. Any potential contacts would have had burn phones.
3. Any information / potential plans would have been abandoned
4. Very very unlikely there are any real names on the phone.
5. If Apple did comply. Then Criminals would just go elsewhere to some Off shore Android clone that is Locked down and then NO-ONE wins. FBI would never get any info and we are stuck with the possibly that crims could access our bank details etc.
6. The FBI should have just pretended they DID have all the information on the phone and then waited to see what happened. Any watch targets try and bolt etc.
7. Even if Apple did comply.. "Sure it took us 8 Years to get to this build of iOS / encryption - see you in 8 years...."
 
Eww. I could go on and on about religion just being a tool for suppression but something tells me it will go right over your head.

And to be honest I think the pope made a fool of himself calling out a US political candidate. The pope is a hypocrite.


I could go on about definition of sarcasm, but something tells me that it would go right over your head, until specifically mentioned in the post....

Pope is a human being and most human beings are hypocrites in some form or other..
 
I could go on about definition of sarcasm, but something tells me that it would go right over your head, until specifically mentioned in the post....

Pope is a human being and most human beings are hypocrites in some form or other..

the pope isn't in a position to be a hypocrite even though he is. And hmm not sure about your original post. Most here took it as you were/are serious?
 
The FBI has had the ability to get the data they're requesting since 2008. We sold it to them. This isn't about getting the data. It's about using a very public case to gain support to allow them easier access to this type of data without the need for many of the hurdles they currently must go through.
 
the pope isn't in a position to be a hypocrite even though he is. And hmm not sure about your original post. Most here took it as you were/are serious?

Benjamin Frost understood me well... but I guess he and I are on the same side of the pond and also from the same country, which helps...

Anyway good luck with your elections and hope you get a good President. I also hope Apple wins against the "big bad wolf..."
 
Your mention of Jesus is apt.

What America needs is a strong Christian leader who follows in the footsteps of Jesus. From what I've heard, Trump is not that leader, nor is Clinton.

The American government have no concept of dignity.

Wow. Seriously? As a Brit I am ashamed for you. Politics and Religion are mutually exclusive and for a damn good reason. You can believe all you want, that's your prerogative. I for one think that anyone who believes in floating deities, specifically ONLY their Floating deities who cannot see that other peoples have their own non corporeal soothsayers yet claim theirs is the ONLY ONE and are willing to wage wars and kill people over it are infact medically insane. Just as I would be committed if I said that I have a Magical Goblin living under my bed.

Either way Politicians 95% liars. The irony is that anyone that wants power that much should be the LEAST allowed to have it and The blonde bewigged, uneducated, idiotic, fear mongering, Real estate agent billionaire is the prime example of that.

Oh and stay on topic... ;)
 
I am still with the FBI in this case. Apple should have just quietly helped on their own terms meaning the FBI gets the data but never the iOS version that unlocks the phone.

Apple does what's best for Apple. Somewhat fair enough.
 
Those lovely 'Murican law agencies seem to forget that it's not just good ol' Uncle Sam that has iPhones. The entire ****ing world uses them, and once the FBI has a key/other-way-to-force-themselves-in-to-one-iPhone they can and will do it to every single iPhone on the planet, just because they are the F.B.I. Hell, not just iPhones, but iPads and iPods as well. We're talking about millions and millions and millions of devices. And don't even start on the fact that it'll end up in the wrong hands. Because it will. Once that happens, well, all hell breaks loose.
 
Wow. Seriously? As a Brit I am ashamed for you. Politics and Religion are mutually exclusive and for a damn good reason. You can believe all you want, that's your prerogative. I for one think that anyone who believes in floating deities, specifically ONLY their Floating deities who cannot see that other peoples have their own non corporeal soothsayers yet claim theirs is the ONLY ONE and are willing to wage wars and kill people over it are infact medically insane. Just as I would be committed if I said that I have a Magical Goblin living under my bed.

Either way Politicians 95% liars. The irony is that anyone that wants power that much should be the LEAST allowed to have it and The blonde bewigged, uneducated, idiotic, fear mongering, Real estate agent billionaire is the prime example of that.

Oh and stay on topic... ;)


America seemed to have done alright following Judeo Christian principles since its inception, ultimately becoming a superpower and technological marvel and a trustworthy benevolent neighbor, only until recently being unraveled by the Left.
 
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