FBI Looking Into 'Legal and Technical Options' for Entering Another Terrorist's iPhone

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    A new case might lead the FBI and Apple into another fight over security and privacy on smartphones, following a confirmation yesterday by FBI special agent Rich Thorton that the FBI has the iPhone of Dahir Adan in its possession (via Wired).

    Adan was the culprit behind the stabbing of 10 people in a Minnesota mall in mid-September, and was eventually shot and killed by police. After the event, terrorist organization ISIS claimed credit for the attack on social media, but "no evidence has emerged to suggest ISIS had a hand in planning or executing the attack."

    During a press conference in St. Cloud, Minnesota yesterday, Thorton confirmed that the FBI has Adan's iPhone and that it is locked with a passcode. According to the special agent, the organization is "still trying to figure out how to gain access to the phone's contents." The issue currently is that the model and version of iOS running on the iPhone is known only to the FBI. Following the launch of iOS 8 in 2014, any iOS device running the software is encrypted to an extent that no malicious outsider -- or even Apple itself -- can get into the iPhone or iPad.
    Because of this, the deciding factor on whether or not the new issue could lead to another San Bernardino-related debate between Apple and the FBI hinges on the software and model of his iPhone (iOS 8 can run on iPhone 4s and newer devices). For now, Thorton said that the FBI is simply "assessing" its "legal and technical options" for ways to enter the iPhone and extract any potentially helpful data it might contain.

    The San Bernardino case began much the same way, with the FBI ordering Apple to provide assistance in opening up Syed Farook's iPhone 5c because the company had the "technical means" to do so. A long battle between the two organizations eventually led to the Justice Department dropping the case against Apple, reportedly due to an anonymous source providing the iPhone's password to authorities.

    During the controversy, everyone from former Microsoft CEO Bill Gates to President Obama chimed in on the issue. Throughout multiple interviews and quotes, Apple CEO Tim Cook remained adamant on the company's continuing stance for user privacy, calling the FBI's request for entering an iPhone "the software equivalent of cancer." Its implementation could lead to a slippery slope in terms of invasive technology in everyday smartphones, as pointed out by Apple executive Eddy Cue, and even a potential surveillance state.

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  2. vertsix macrumors 65816


    Aug 12, 2015
    Of course they are.

    Because finding or investigating a few terrorists is more important than the security of hundreds of millions of iOS users.

  3. zombierunner macrumors 65816


    Jan 18, 2011
  4. yaxomoxay macrumors 68030


    Mar 3, 2010
    yet during an investigation they are able to lose two boxes full of emails written by HRC.
  5. Avieshek Suspended


    Dec 7, 2013
  6. dannyyankou macrumors 604


    Mar 2, 2012
    Scarsdale, NY
    Did they plug it in to let it backup to iCloud? That's what Apple suggested last time.

    Unless they're just being ignorant...
  7. taptic macrumors 65816


    Dec 5, 2012
    If the NSA wants access to only terrorists' phones, I guess that makes us all terrorists.
  8. Pbrutto macrumors 6502a


    Apr 21, 2015
    Eastern PA
    If only it had the note's self destruct feature.....
  9. GeneralChang macrumors 65816

    Dec 2, 2013
    I imagine we'll probably be seeing more and more situations like this come up at time goes on.
    --- Post Merged, Oct 7, 2016 ---
    Okay, this... this is perfect.
  10. soupcan macrumors 6502a


    Nov 21, 2014
    Next time, try to ask first, then shoot later. I know it's hard for you to do, but you can at least try it.
  11. Jsameds macrumors 68040

    Apr 22, 2008
  12. thatanonymoususer macrumors regular


    Oct 12, 2015
    Then they would have remote-detonated it. The new Note 7's seem to be coming with the handy feature. ;)
  13. djphat2000 macrumors regular

    Jun 30, 2012
    I could have sworn they said "only this time and for this iPhone".
  14. keysofanxiety macrumors G3


    Nov 23, 2011
    This will never, ever end. They'll keep pushing fear and using 'terrorist' buzzwords until they can get a backdoor into every phone and computer.

    So will all the other countries, of course. Can't allow just America to have this advantage. Not that they'd have to go the legal route; some toilet brush at the FBI would leave the codes on a desk in Chinatown, and the rest is history.

    Hopefully Apple will stay strong and the public will backlash against what the FBI wants to do at every given opportunity. Troubling times. :(
  15. 2457282 Suspended

    Dec 6, 2012
    FBI has not requested anything from Apple yet. Hopefully they learned their lesson and are turning to ethical hackers to help out. If they do come back to Apple they better be better prepared, because I do not see Apple changing their position. On this issue, at least, I stand with Tim.
  16. iamgalt macrumors regular


    Jul 25, 2012
    It would have burst into flames before the FBI could get it.
  17. Robert.Walter macrumors 65816

    Jul 10, 2012
    Potential surveillance state?

    We passed from the potential phase about a generation ago.
  18. iamgalt macrumors regular


    Jul 25, 2012
    Apple's stance on this issue is what makes me proud to be an mac & ios user, on top of the fact that their software works better than microsoft and android, and we cannot forget to mention their phones don't burst into flames.
  19. asleep macrumors 68040


    Sep 26, 2007
    New terrorist tool... charge up a Note 7 and put it in a pressure cooker. [​IMG]
  20. shareef777 Suspended


    Jul 26, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    And yet we have 10x more murders in Chicago on a weekly basis and the FBI or any law enforcement for that matter doesn't give a ****.
  21. fischersd macrumors 601


    Oct 23, 2014
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    How do you know that? Usually it's all quietly done in the background. I'm sure a lot of service providers were a little surprised at how public everything got last time.

    Apple needs to develop a tool to do this, that law enforcement / government agencies can bring their suspect devices to a secure facility in Apple HQ to unlock the content of these phones.

    They need to build it in such a way that it will only work in this fashion and cannot be removed from their possession.

    Yes, I know a bunch of people will jump up and talk about civil liberties, etc....Apple can either build the means to comply on a case by case basis and not sacrifice the security for all, or eventually be forced to comply with the wishes of the US government.

    Remember the PATRIOT act folks? It's still there. There's lots of precedence of other service providers complying. Apple's just putting on a show as a PR stunt - to make their offering seem the pinnacle of security.
  22. pat500000 macrumors G3


    Jun 3, 2015
    Courage.....remove all iOS apps for the next update.
  23. JohnGrey macrumors 6502


    Apr 21, 2012
    Cincinnati Metro
    Possibly the best burn I've heard this month.

    That said, I agree with you in a figurative sense. One of the things that Apple should employ to counter FBI's inevitable jackassery regarding digital privacy and security is to include a burn PIN and external dump prevention whilst locke. If you enter it instead of your unlock pin, or someone attempts to forcibly dump the data partition whilst it's locked, it immediately bleachbits the volume.

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