Do you have any idea how easy it is to get a warrant? You say this like its some sort of stop gap against abuse or wrong doing.
It’s not.
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FBI Reportedly Asks Apple to Help Unlock Passcode-Protected iPhones Used by Mass Shooter in Florida
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Do you have any idea how easy it is to get a warrant? You say this like its some sort of stop gap against abuse or wrong doing.
It’s not.
CAN'T THEY JUST USE CELEBRITE?
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Tax dollars? How about the $120 million for golf? Can we get a refund?
How would Apple update a locked iPhone to a “one-time” version of iOS?
How about you realize this is a new age where people can commit crimes solely on their phones and some people, myself included, no longer keep some forms of physical records. Police used to be able to find physical records in your garbage or intercept mail/phone calls. Now, Everything is on people’s phones.
To think someone’s phone is more sacred than the government seizing you and going through your underwear drawer and entire house with a warrant is laughable. That is far more invasive.
As long as there is a warrant, the argument that phones are off limits is a joke. If anyone thinks you can do “old fashioned police work” to get the same information you could 30 years ago, they don’t know what they’re talking about.
With that said, if companies stopped reaping our data, then perhaps there wouldn’t be as much for police to issue a warrant for and our phones wouldn’t be mini treasure troves for them.
Doesn’t matter how serious the crime is. Apple needs to keep this stance. If Apple makes an exception, then it’s going to open the gates to every other situation. A mass murderer is evil. Looking in his/her phone won’t change anything.
One of the things that genuinely makes the US great (as opposed to Trump's definition of "great") is being allowed to disagree with, criticize or even hate the President or any other government official.
"Our President" is an obvious criminal, scammer, sociopath, and doesn't care about anyone but himself. Yes, he's our President but we have the right to point out when he's wrong.
As we all know. What's your point?
And he's still going to be your president for another 5 years.
This is such a nuanced topic, but really I think this is another dog and pony show much like the San Bernardino phone.
Apple shouldn't weaken it's security to allow the US government in. Period. Apple in the past has been able to provide the iCloud data if the user chooses to back up to the cloud, although I know they were working to encrypt that data as well, but I haven't heard one way or the other.
I think that they have a warrant is admirable, and necessary. However, I don't think that the onus is on Apple to provide access. If you have a safe that a criminal has locked up does the intelligence agency go after the criminal or the safe manufacturer? Is the safe manufacturer responsible for gaining access to the safe after it has been sealed by their customer?
One could potentially make the argument that this could be considered unreasonable search and seizure, as the energy and time needed to unlock this device would be 'unreasonable'. It likely wouldn't hold water, but something to consider.
Apple shouldn't weaken it's security to allow the US government in. Period. Apple in the past has been able to provide the iCloud data if the user chooses to back up to the cloud, although I know they were working to encrypt that data as well, but I haven't heard one way or the other.
I think that they have a warrant is admirable, and necessary. However, I don't think that the onus is on Apple to provide access. If you have a safe that a criminal has locked up does the intelligence agency go after the criminal or the safe manufacturer? Is the safe manufacturer responsible for gaining access to the safe after it has been sealed by their customer?
One could potentially make the argument that this could be considered unreasonable search and seizure, as the energy and time needed to unlock this device would be 'unreasonable'. It likely wouldn't hold water, but something to consider.
So, nowaday, unlocked phone it's the solution to all problems right? Because, we all know, every terrorist/killer/pedophile etc, have ALL their plans, past, present, future stored in a phone and of course doesn't know about "delete/delete all info's/factory reset" buttons... And of course a mass shooter, like that in this article, have a big team that helped him
1) priest said to kill
2) mom said to get weapons
3) local weapons store sold him weapons
4) uber got him at the shooting place
I'll not mention again that he surely wrote above points in the phone, because he suffered (like all other criminals) amnesia/alzheimer. yes i think unlocking his phone can 100% help to investigate and arrest all culprits, including apple that sold him phone where he stored all his plans
1) priest said to kill
2) mom said to get weapons
3) local weapons store sold him weapons
4) uber got him at the shooting place
I'll not mention again that he surely wrote above points in the phone, because he suffered (like all other criminals) amnesia/alzheimer. yes i think unlocking his phone can 100% help to investigate and arrest all culprits, including apple that sold him phone where he stored all his plans
If the FBI confiscated a private diary that they believed contained evidence, but said diary was protected by a $0.25 lock, should they be allowed to open it? With a federal warrant? If it also included love notes and pictures of cats?
I don’t think a phone should be treated any differently, provided they have a warrant.
I don’t think a phone should be treated any differently, provided they have a warrant.
Got some boots to lick somewhere?
Security for all, or security for none.
I have no problem with Apple handing over any data they actually have access to.
I have a serious problem with the FBI trying to force Apple (again) to try and break into a device that’s locked, or to create software (like a back door) to enable this in the future.
Also, why don’t we ever hear news reports of the FBI asking Google to break into an Android phone?
I have no problem with Apple handing over any data they actually have access to.
I have a serious problem with the FBI trying to force Apple (again) to try and break into a device that’s locked, or to create software (like a back door) to enable this in the future.
Also, why don’t we ever hear news reports of the FBI asking Google to break into an Android phone?
I think some of you aren’t seeing the bigger picture. What if there are messages on this person’s phone to/from someone ELSE who wants to do a similar attack?
You guys don’t think it’s necessary to see who a terrorist / mass murderer / child molester is talking to and what apps / chats / websites they’re using?
I understand that some of you think there should be no way to access someone’s locked iPhone, but if it’s a matter of saving lives then it’s within reason to find out what is in that criminal’s phone.
Once Apple creates a backdoor for the FBI to get in, then China, Russia and soon after any hacker with technical ability will be able crack your phone for any information they desire. If you think that no one really cares about what you do since you obey current laws and have mainstream opinions about things then you haven't really been paying attention to how this data will be used.
Plenty. Especially should they be conspirators to the crime. Who should then be sought and prosecuted.
more like drinkingkoolaid amirite
in all seriousness, when apple sets a precedent that they could and would unlock a phone, they effectively shoot themselves in the knee and say goodbye to privacy.
it's funny how americans are willing to protect their private property with guns but are so willing to hand over their actual privacy.
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Except that's usually not the case.
Everybody already knows where child molesters and murderers hang out and what apps are they using. You can find that with 30 minutes on the internet.
They won't find **** to incriminate others or provide "safety" by unlocking the phone, even facebook messenger offers encryption and auto-delete messages.
We have given up so much in the name of "safety" yet nobody is any safer and barely any terrorist attack has been thwarted by the post 9/11 hysteria. This is not how any of this works.
Uh, they have a dedicated section on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2010s_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
Even if there was one a year, that's common compared to every other developed country.
Because smartphones contain potentially a lot of valuable information and is part of the investigation? Stop living in the past in your so called 'good old days'!
It is absolutely HEARTLESS that you didn’t include kidnapping & rape!
Those are small crimes to you???
Ok, so we now have ”suspected” (because if we KNEW them to be guilty, we wouldn’t need their phones, yeah?) terrorism, murder, kidnapping and rape.
What about human trafficking? That’s horrific, right? Let’s add that & arson!
So that‘s a big “ignore” on rights for anyone suspected of terrorism (pretty broad term there...), murder, kidnapping, rape, human trafficking, & arson- so far.
Let’s keep it up!
I’m sure if we keep following this slippery slope based on your extremely arbitrary restrictions... by midday, we should be able to get it down to you allowing warrantless search of your home, if you are suspected of an illegal left-hand turn!
So that makes it sound like iOS encryption is still good. I wonder what the phone model is.