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Facetime on AT&T 3G will be like 1 frame per minute with underwater audio and will be all pixelated.....hahahahahahaha......you'd be better off sending pictures via MMS every 3 to 5 minutes. Their network (or Verizon's) couldn't handle a large number of simultaneous video calls. Hell I can't even get email or make calls in most of Manhattan without a WiFi connection.

Sorry but this is not a big deal to me. (and mind you, I'm no huge fan of AT&T either....)
 
Why do you all with the old unlimited plan think your entitled to everything? It is what it is. Either switch plans or shut the you know what UP!

That's the spirit. Let AT&T do whatever they want and tell you how to use services YOU pay for. Way to go Joe! :rolleyes:
 
That's the spirit. Let AT&T do whatever they want and tell you how to use services YOU pay for. Way to go Joe! :rolleyes:

They can do whatever they want. The old unlimited plan was never intended for individuals using streaming services which is why they got rid of it. They can put anything in the contract, thus allowing new features to not be available on grandfathered plans.

People need to shut the hAll UP and get over it already. If your not happy SWITCH PLANS or providers.
 
They can do whatever they want. The old unlimited plan was never intended for individuals using streaming services which is why they got rid of it. They can put anything in the contract, thus allowing new features to not be available on grandfathered plans.

People need to shut the hAll UP and get over it already. If your not happy SWITCH PLANS or providers.

I'm switching providers. Woo!
 
Facetime on AT&T 3G will be like 1 frame per minute with underwater audio and will be all pixelated.....hahahahahahaha......you'd be better off sending pictures via MMS every 3 to 5 minutes. Their network (or Verizon's) couldn't handle a large number of simultaneous video calls. Hell I can't even get email or make calls in most of Manhattan without a WiFi connection.

Sorry but this is not a big deal to me. (and mind you, I'm no huge fan of AT&T either....)

FaceTime has been estimated at 3 MB per minute. If the network can handle streaming HD video services it can handle FaceTime.

I've never noticed quality issues using it on my iPhone 4. I realize the sample of jailbroken phones vs stock iOS makes for a poor example. Even so, those stock phones are still streaming video with similar bandwidth requirements so video calls shouldn't really cause additional strain.
 
Got the same phone call today. Its nothing important. Just saying they will be answering the complaint in the next 24-48 hours and if there is any other problems you wanted to discuss. The person that called was an assistant for the senior management team. They said someone from the FCC might be calling. I explained my side of everything and Im sure by that time the woman was tired of hearing the broken record of how AT&T is unfair to us grandfathered customers in an attempt to get rid of those plans.


In the whole thing I actually use Facetime. Ive been using Skype mostly because I don't have WiFi at work but working shift work and having an infant at home its nice to get a video call and see whats going on. My brother is currently stationed in NC and being able to Facetime with him and let him see his nephew walking and starting to talk is nice. The same goes for other family members. I shouldn't have to spend more money or change plans to use that feature when my plan is for unlimited data. All I want at this point is my ETF waived so I can move to a different carrier.

Facetime is the current target. Whats next? Apples map navigation using to much data? Facebook uploads starting to drain the network? Voice and data at the same? Pick something you use and that could be the next thing they want to block unless you switch to some new data plan that ends up costing you more.
 
I got a call from At&t about my complaint to the FCC about them blocking facetime over cellular. I missed the call but they gave me a call back number, I called back and there was no answer so hopefully they call back. Anyone have anything they want me to say?

How about you quit being a baby, man up and jailbreak your iPhone?

Then you can Facetime over "cellular" all you want.

In fact, you could have been doing that for years.

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Got the same phone call today. Its nothing important. Just saying they will be answering the complaint in the next 24-48 hours and if there is any other problems you wanted to discuss. The person that called was an assistant for the senior management team. They said someone from the FCC might be calling. I explained my side of everything and Im sure by that time the woman was tired of hearing the broken record of how AT&T is unfair to us grandfathered customers in an attempt to get rid of those plans.


In the whole thing I actually use Facetime. Ive been using Skype mostly because I don't have WiFi at work but working shift work and having an infant at home its nice to get a video call and see whats going on. My brother is currently stationed in NC and being able to Facetime with him and let him see his nephew walking and starting to talk is nice. The same goes for other family members. I shouldn't have to spend more money or change plans to use that feature when my plan is for unlimited data. All I want at this point is my ETF waived so I can move to a different carrier.

Facetime is the current target. Whats next? Apples map navigation using to much data? Facebook uploads starting to drain the network? Voice and data at the same? Pick something you use and that could be the next thing they want to block unless you switch to some new data plan that ends up costing you more.

So you want to "move to a different carrier" so you can be forced to sign up for the exact same plan at&t is pushing with Verizon?

Oh wait, you can go to Sprint, where your iPhone will be so slow, it won't even be able to Facetime through their data network anyway.

Maybe unlock it to work on T-Mobile? Enjoy 2G speeds and no facetime.

You whiners are all the same. Just Jailbreak your phone and get on with your life.
 
How about you quit being a baby, man up and jailbreak your iPhone?

Then you can Facetime over "cellular" all you want.

In fact, you could have been doing that for years.

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So you want to "move to a different carrier" so you can be forced to sign up for the exact same plan at&t is pushing with Verizon?

Oh wait, you can go to Sprint, where your iPhone will be so slow, it won't even be able to Facetime through their data network anyway.

Maybe unlock it to work on T-Mobile? Enjoy 2G speeds and no facetime.

You whiners are all the same. Just Jailbreak your phone and get on with your life.

The irony is you're whining more than he is. You're even acting less mature, which is also ironic considering you called him a baby. Maybe you should do some self-reflection.
 
They can do whatever they want. The old unlimited plan was never intended for individuals using streaming services which is why they got rid of it. They can put anything in the contract, thus allowing new features to not be available on grandfathered plans.

People need to shut the hAll UP and get over it already. If your not happy SWITCH PLANS or providers.

People with opinions like this really concern me.

I don't know if it was necessarily "individuals using streaming services" that prompted AT&T to discontinue offering the unlimited plan. It was more likely the incentive to sell data in blocks to prevent satiation and retain the ability to charge more per month and/or modify existing data rates as they see fit. We've seen this with phone minutes, texting allotments, and most recently with data allotments. It's not like this has come out of no-where, AT&T is quite predictable.

What really makes me sad is whenever I hear the argument "don't like it? leave!" as if it is supposed to solve problems. Capitulating to laws and new policies never leads to change. It leads to inevitable further restrictions. Yet, individuals like the OP that speak out against such restrictions are given labels such as "crybabies" and "whiners." Le sigh.

What we have here is a powerful company (AT&T) creating absurd artificial restrictions in how paying customers consume data in an effort to strong-arm them into making cellular plan choices. The closest analogy I can think of is the following:

You have two supermarket customers that want to purchase a cheesecake. One customer (A) has a loyalty card membership, the other (B) does not. The supermarket no longer wishes to offer benefits to the loyalty card member. Customer B purchases the cheesecake and leaves the store. Customer A purchases the cheesecake, but the store tells them that they have to consume the entire cheesecake before they leave the store. There is no reason the cheesecake can't be eaten outside the store. The market offered both cheesecakes for sale and willingly sold them. However, they make necessary restrictions in how a product can be used.

AT&T is doing much the same thing in dictating how we can use data that WE pay for. I would even buy into the argument that allowing all customers to use facetime over 3G would "congest" the network if AT&T ceased selling new data contracts to new customers. After all, if their network was in that much jeopardy, they wouldn't have any available bandwidth to give to even more people, right? Oh, wait...
 
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So you want to "move to a different carrier" so you can be forced to sign up for the exact same plan at&t is pushing with Verizon?

Oh wait, you can go to Sprint, where your iPhone will be so slow, it won't even be able to Facetime through their data network anyway.

Maybe unlock it to work on T-Mobile? Enjoy 2G speeds and no facetime.

You whiners are all the same. Just Jailbreak your phone and get on with your life.


Its cheaper for me to move to Verizon and get the same thing AT&T is trying to shove down my throat. Im glad you had absolutely nothing itelligent to add to this topic other then same childish name calling. I guess you enjoy just throwing money at a company and rolling over and taking whatever they will give you. Jailbreaking shouldn't be the only option when you are already paying for a service. I don't want to worry about restoring my phone for service just because I needed to jailbreak it and make it unstable to use features that were carrier disabled. Also jailbreaking doesn't solve the data throttling. So whats your answer to that smartypants?
 
I have the old $30 smartphone plan on one of my lines and I still could couldn't careless. Nine months ago we heard all the cry babies cry about the throttling, and now this. Wow. People like the OP need to get a life and not worry about this. If he wants it so bad, why not switch plans? Didn't think that was rocket science?

Well, here's a shocker...if it's such a bother for you to read these threads, don't read them at all. Duh. And they're not going to switch plans just because you say so and think you're absolutely right. How about that for rocket science? -_- I don't even know why you're so damn bothered about their data plan.
 

No.

You're mixing apples and oranges.

Regarding the elimination of unlimited. On that, I agree with you. It cost money to provide ever increasing unlimited data usage.

Charging for FaceTime. No. That is simply an arbitrary decision with no addional cost incurred by AT&T. Charging for FaceTime is charging twice for the same thing. That is just stupid. Glad I have Verizon! ;)
 
The biggest piece of damning evidence

Here is the BIGGEST piece of damning evidence in this whole situation. VPN. A Virtual Private Network is an encrypted tunnel between the device (iPhone) and the endpoint (VPN provider). There is currently no way for someone to know what information is being passed in a VPN tunnel. You can not look at the encrypted traffic and determine anything. This MUST be clearly understood! The VPN traffic looks like noise. You CAN NOT tell what is in that traffic (though you can tell where it is going, and that means to the VPN provider).

I turned off the WiFi connection on my phone, and established a VPN connection on 3G. I tested it with Safari. It worked fine. What I was doing was routing all outbound internet traffic on my phone, through the VPN. So Safari used this tunnel (I could see the connection, I have my own VPN at home I could test with).

I then tried to use FaceTime. It wasn't allowed because I didn't have a WiFi connection. This is irrelevant. Apple is in collusion on this one folks, because my data connection should have routed through the VPN tunnel. Apple is as at fault (for not having FaceTime work by routing through the VPN tunnel) as AT&T is for not letting me use the 3G data I pay for in the method that suits me. Apple has included unnecessary code in FaceTime to check that a WiFi connection is being used, instead of just pushing the data through the VPN.

The most damning component of this is that it isn't working through VPN. FaceTime from my MBP works JUST FINE through a VPN. I know, Iv'e done it. There is now the nail in the coffin for AT&T's ********!
 
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Charging for FaceTime is charging twice for the same thing. That is just stupid. Glad I have Verizon! ;)
Verizon adds a made up surcharge to most of their wireless customers monthly bills, so it's not exactly like they're angelic when it comes to fair charges either. LOL


Apple is in collusion on this one folks, because my data connection should have routed through the VPN tunnel.
Just like with tethering, FaceTime over 3G is a carrier feature. Apple's collusion extends as far as making them features that the carrier can enable.
 
Verizon adds a made up surcharge to most of their wireless customers monthly bills, so it's not exactly like they're angelic when it comes to fair charges either. LOL



Just like with tethering, FaceTime over 3G is a carrier feature. Apple's collusion extends as far as making them features that the carrier can enable.

Didn't mean to imply Verizon is angelic. By no means. I just meant they don't charge for FaceTime like AT&T. :)
 
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