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FCC Has Voted to Repeal Net Neutrality Rules

We have to forgive the Millennials folx. They don't remember that it used to cost about $14.99/mo for a dialup connection which was the standard connection for the Internet in the golden age. Now the standard costs $100 and you are at the Cable Companies absolute mercy.

Oh and guess when prices started to sky rocket... Thats right. About the time of NN.
 
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ToroidalZeus said:
You are really uneducated, did you get a tier-3-school business degree?

1. You agreed with me that companies needed to spend a lot of money on infrastructure, which now has been paid off hence the prices (or technically speed/$) were able to lower over time.

2. ISP industry has natural barriers (specifically the difficulty in getting permits to run new line and the time it takes to setup such a network). Hence there is no threat of new entrants to the market which allows ISPs to have an oligopoly (near monopoly).
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You're bordering on insult and ban
1. Innovation never ends. Re-investment never ends.
2. There is no local regulations stopping a new player from creating a fully wireless network, or satellite access, or something else we don't even know about yet. There is definitely a threat of a new player. There is always that threat unless some regulations make it unattractive to make a deal that you think is worth your investment.
 
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Zachari said:
Yes, finally all the fear mongering from the left can stop. The world will continue to spin and innovation will not be hindered by Obama era regulation.
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I came looking for the one level-minded, dissenting post on page 1 and I found it. Thank you. 🙂

I had to laugh at Netflix’ angry tweet. About how the “era” of innovation was over. Sure there Netflix. Two years doesn’t make for an era.

I’m not even going to bother reading the other 15 pages of this thread because I’m sure it’s chuck full of ignorant “what about muh Netflix” type don’t-throttle-me-bro posts.

People should be much more concerned with the huge size of tech and media conglomerates that now exist and the monopolies they now hold. And yes, Google is one of them (especially with YouTube), despite their championing of Net Neutrality.

Also huge companies like AT&T, Verizon (which were “baby Bells” that have grown enormous again) and Disney, which just bought 21st Century Fox and wants to yank their whole catalogue from Netflix. These media and tech monopolies are a far greater threat to an open internet than any of the boogey man inspired fears of losing Net Neutrality.
 
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killr_b said:
You're bordering on insult and ban
1. Innovation never ends. Re-investment never ends.
2. There is no local regulations stopping a new player from creating a fully wireless network, or satellite access, or something else we don't even know about yet. There is definitely a threat of a new player. There is always that threat unless some regulations make it unattractive to make a deal that you think is worth your investment.
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There is always a threat of entry based on absolutely no market analysis and only govt prevents entry....Okay. I'm done speaking with you. You clearly don't have any understanding of the business and refuse to look at reality because it contradicts your ideology.
 
SCOLANATOR said:
As a Brit with an American fiance we are seriously thinking long and hard about where to raise a family.
America isn't a democracy any longer, despite my many criticisms and even loathing at times of the UK our parliamentary democracy works a hell of a lot better than your democracy. Our politicians might be incompetent but they do still answer to us, I can even call and chat to my MP, he only won by something like 20 votes during the last election.

I do not want to raise my children in anything less than a fair democracy.
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Not to be too picky but the United States was never a democracy. We're a Constitutional Republic. We're governed by a simple 7,591 word document we all agreed upon shortly after telling one of your powdered wig wearing incompetent politicians and his parliament friends where they could shove it. We're very glad you can call your MP and chat, perhaps if the parliament had been as receptive to Colonial needs at the time things would have turned out far differently.

You and your fiancé should choose to stay in our delightful nation. I'm pretty sure it's your best bet for realizing the goal you've set for yourself of living somewhere with a government that respects the rights of its people.

Back to the topic at hand...

spazzcat said:
Do you know that Netflix started paying ISPs for faster access before 2015, right? This stopped in 2015 and now, we will get to pay. And this is a huge deal. Want to use Netflix and not Directv now on ATT, guess what there can now be fee for that before today it was not allowed and you can say they were not doing it before 2015, but they were, they were slowing services like Netflix down in favor of their own.
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Pretty sure Netflix has increased, and is increasing again, it's price before this "tragic day" in world history. Their most recent hike occurred right in the middle of the age of blessed neutrality, did it not?
 
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iReality85 said:
I came looking for the one level-minded, dissenting post on page 1 and I found it. Thank you. 🙂

I had to laugh at Netflix’ angry tweet. About how the “era” of innovation was over. Sure there Netflix. Two years doesn’t make for an era.

I’m not even going to bother reading the other 15 pages of this thread because I’m sure it’s chuck full of ignorant “what about muh Netflix” type don’t-throttle-me-bro posts.

People should be much more concerned with the huge size of tech and media conglomerates that now exist and the monopolies they now hold. And yes, Google is one of them (especially with YouTube), despite their championing of Net Neutrality.

Also huge companies like AT&T, Verizon (which were “baby Bells” that have grown enormous again) and Disney, which just bought 21st Century Fox and wants to yank their whole catalogue from Netflix. These media and tech monopolies are a far greater threat to an open internet than any of the boogey man inspired fears of losing Net Neutrality.
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Translation. I don't want to read this thread and be exposed to opposing viewpoints and I want to do a straw-man argument by focusing on the problems with other industries.

Here is a post I wrote that sums up the environment. If you want to be open-minded, check it out. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...eutrality-rules.2095089/page-15#post-25598106
 
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Trump doesn't seem satisfied with simply holding conservative values (small government, low taxes, etc). His government seems hell bent on doing the wrong thing.

Let's deny global warming. Let's threaten to destroy a country. Let's insult world leaders on social media. Let's encourage people who have abused women to run for office. Let's make healthcare unaffordable so poor people die. Let's repeal net neutrality.
 
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killr_b said:
There is always that threat unless some regulations make it unattractive to make a deal that you think is worth your investment.
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The only "regulations" were simply to "treat bits equally".
Nothing about that is a deterrent to investment, it simply disallows gouging.
 
Ah damn, back to the old dark ages of the web prior to 2015 when ISP’s charged through the nose and gave prioritization to certain services, and censored free speech. Remember that? Me either.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
Ahem...."spectrum licensing"
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Did it stop you from getting 3g, 4g, and soon 5g wireless data from a cellular provider? It's a lot easier to pass that then to say "hey go ahead and dig up all our roads and stuff for new cables." It's just an example. The point is to let the market find solutions.
 
killr_b said:
Did it stop you from getting 3g, 4g, and soon 5g wireless data from a cellular provider? It's a lot easier to pass that then to say "hey go ahead and dig up all our roads and stuff for new cables." It's just an example. The point is to let the market find solutions.
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All you have is straw-man arguments. Ignoring substance on Spectrum Licensing and why it exists, instead talk about 3G-4G-5G technologies. I remember 10 years ago, I was just like you, thought I was soo smart too cuz I could "disprove" every argument. Turns out I was actually ignoring the real issues, just like you are doing now.
 
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ToroidalZeus said:
Translation. I don't want to read this thread and be exposed to opposing viewpoints and I want to do a straw-man argument by focusing on the problems with other industries.

Here is a post I wrote that sums up the environment. If you want to be open-minded, check it out. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...eutrality-rules.2095089/page-15#post-25598106
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Nice try. Most of my friends are liberals, and I’ve read pretty much all there needs to be read on Net Neutrality, especially from supporters. Interesting how you automatically come out and try to discredit me by saying I’m close minded. Couldn’t be further from the truth.

Also interesting is your link. In the post you linked to, you first start by insulting the person your replying to.

Yawn.

Tip: If you want others to take your opinions seriously, don’t be condescending of other’s viewpoints. 😉
 
turbineseaplane said:
The only "regulations" were simply to "treat bits equally".
Nothing about that is a deterrent to investment, it simply disallows gouging.
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ISP could have charged you whatever they wanted under the Open Internet Order. It didn't set price limits, and it only disallowed "unreasonable discrimination." They could still throttle Netflix as "reasonable network management" even when it involved something like on-demand viewing tv that was served over the same line because your tv provider was also your ISP. Again, it's an example, could be dif in your area. In fact, since 2015 many ISP's increased their prices and so did Netflix, twice.
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ToroidalZeus said:
All you have is straw-man arguments. Ignoring substance on Spectrum Licensing and why it exists, instead talk about 3G-4G-5G technologies. I remember 10 years ago, I was just like you, thought I was soo smart too cuz I could "disprove" every argument. Turns out I was actually ignoring the real issues, just like you are doing now.
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You can stop replying to me anytime. I don't really care that you think I'm wrong
 
Zachari said:
Yes, finally all the fear mongering from the left can stop. The world will continue to spin and innovation will not be hindered by Obama era regulation.
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Well said.

I guess I don't understand this whole issue. Prior to Oct 2015 when Obama regulations went into effect, was this a big issue for companies?

I could see Obama era regs leading to paying per bit for all consumers at the same rate big companies pay; the supporters of net neutrality wanting to pass the difference down to consumers and lower what they pay by spreading the 'love'.

For years wasn't the mantra keep government away from the internet?
 
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Oh yeah, that's a very convincing argument from Pai: we rushed to repeal net neutrality because the repeal won't change anything for consumers. Riiiiiight.
 
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