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It is good because as Pai said it is to stop the federal government from "micromanaging the internet". He also said, "It is not going to destroy the internet. It is not going to end the internet as we know it. It is not going to kill democracy. It is not going to stifle free expression online,". So quit worrying so much!! I support Trump and if he says it is good I believe it is a good thing. He is doing everything to try an make America great again after the left has almost destroyed it.

You're the type of person Trump loves.

The government was not 'micromanaging the internet' before.

It's like you standing in line at the movies. Everyone is given the same preference no matter how rich, how young, how old, how pretty you are. Until someone starts cutting in line. It really wasn't a problem before, as it was rare for a person to cut in line.

Obama enacted a law that said 'No cutting in line. It's illegal.' That's not 'micromanaging'. Trump got rid of this law. Now, people can cut in front of you and you can't do anything about it.

THINK for yourself, don't let someone do it for you - be it Obama or Trump.

Trump only thinks it's a good thing because it will benefit the rich who can step on the poor easier, and pay an extra dollar to always skip lines. Trump's way sounds more like 'micromanaging' the line than letting everyone go through it orderly.
 
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LOL... educate yourself man. There are COUNTLESS times prior to 2015 where ISP's have throttled and blocked companies based on the type of traffic they produce. Netflix had to pay ISP's to get their speeds increased. Look it up on Google.

See this is the problem... most Trump supporters just simply don't bother to look at the past and see what happened. They just see "less regulation" as being good.

When you get the shaft by your ISP, don't come crying.

Why shouldn't bandwidth hogs pay more?
 
Here's the worst part about violations of NN: It's probably going to get cheaper for those who use the mainstream sites, like how T-Mobile lets you stream YouTube for free, but it's going to add roadblocks for new companies. So most of the people who sent those angry letters to the FCC, most of whom probably don't even know what NN is, are going to be happy in the short term if things start going the way of Mexico.

IDK exactly what Obama's bill did and won't pretend that I do. Maybe it'll be alright.
 
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Regulatory capture + legal bribery of politicians (lobbying) = totally corrupt and broken 'democracy'

Bravo America, really bravo. If you are too stupid not to vote for one of two parties then you deserve everything you get. I have no sympathy. I'm actually angry that such a great country has fallen to such disgusting lows.

The 21st century will be one of American decline in the world, I'd rather follow China right now than the US. All because you allow your political system to be corrupted by lobbying. You should be totally ashamed.

Totally, 100% agree with you and I am an American.
 
These ppl have no idea what is happening. What they know is if it occured during the Obama years. It must be bad. They are in for one hell of a surprise. Lmao!

Yes, but that assumes even the most basic critical-thinking skills, and Trump voters/supporters overwhelmingly don't possess those. All the proponents of conservatism have to do is yell "GOD!" and "MORALS!" and "OBAMA!" and 99.99999% of their sheeples will simply roll-over and blindly follow (and that's a true-fact!) So yeah, it will get bad for everyone, but those responsible will simply continue to blame all us proud progressive and liberals because that's what they are told to do. And, let's face it, the right has a hell of a propaganda machine, which they use with extraordinary efficiency.

On-topic recommended reading (ok, listening): Check out this extremely interesting album about the power of propaganda and totalitarianism. Gives me serious goose-bumps every listen (as an added bonus for all the true nerds among us it is by the artist responsible for "Pinkworld", almost certainly the greatest sci-fi concept album of all time... Admit it, you know what I'm talking about!). It's available free in FLAC and MP3 formats - Go Out Dancing (1931)
 
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Don't you just love the fear-mongering?

Hell I was told I was fear-mongering when Obamacare was going to let me keep my plan/doctor and save me $$$. In reality my plan was illegal, lost my doctor, and pay 3x more in premiums, 10x for prescriptions, but hey, I get free transgender counseling and female birth control (as a male) so I have that going for me...which is nice.

Literally have zero credibility. Dodd/Frank killed much of the financing markets. Federal takeover of student loans encouraged debt to get pointless degrees.

Lol @ "Dodd/Frank killed much of the financing markets." Must be why all the banks and financial institutions are making record profits...
 
Here's the worst part: It's probably going to get cheaper for those who use the mainstream sites, like how T-Mobile lets you stream YouTube for free, but it's going to add roadblocks for new companies. So most of the people who sent those angry letters to the FCC, most of whom probably don't even know what NN is, are going to be happy in the short term.

So well said - The stifling of things that hadn't yet been created (the innovation by new sources) is truly the thing being silently killed...
 
It's like you standing in line at the movies. Everyone is given the same preference no matter how rich, how young, how old, how pretty you are. Until someone starts cutting in line. It really wasn't a problem before, as it was rare for a person to cut in line.

Obama enacted a law that said 'No cutting in line. It's illegal.' That's not 'micromanaging'. Trump got rid of this law. Now, people can cut in front of you and you can't do anything about it.

THINK for yourself, don't let someone do it for you - be it Obama or Trump.

Trump only thinks it's a good thing because it will benefit the rich who can step on the poor easier, and pay an extra dollar to always skip lines.

That not an accurate analogy. It's more like 50% of the people are obese and take up 100% of the seats so everyone else who paid for the movie has to watch it standing in the concourse outside of the theater.
 
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Enjoy the fear mongering.

Guess the internet didn't work at all or wasn't conducive to innovation prior to 2015...right?

Actually there have been numerous examples of very bad behaviour from ISP's while under Title 1 classification. Ranging from extortion to manipulated web results. You've now given ISP's complete free reign over the internet and now you will see huge sweeping and quick damage done to your country and economy.

If you really don't understand the implications of this vote then I can show you links and try to explain it.

Prior to 2015 (or round about then) ISP's were atleast under Title 1 rules. Now they can do whatever they want.

-Harvest and sell all your private data
-Manipulate search results and web pages
-Throttle any competing services (Netflix etc) and webpages to be virtually useless
-Arbitary caps on whatever they want
-Even less funding for network improvements
-Charging extra for access to certain websites

Much of this has already happened. I believe Comcast got in trouble for trying to extort money from Netflix, as well at throttling them. ISP's have already injected code into websites. Data caps have been reintroduced. Under Title 2 more was spent on infrastructure improvements.

Huge billion dollar companies like Netflix, Google, Facebook etc would likely not exist today. The economic damage repealing net neutrality may well be measured in the trillions of dollars in the coming decades. This is absolutely catastrophic for anyone who believes in free speech, free markets and competition.

It doesn't need to be this way. Net neutrality and high speed unlimited internet is a reality in most of the developed world. Where I live in the UK (way out in the country) I have extremely fast unlimited excellent cheap internet that only gets faster for the same price.

Also don't even get me started on the $400bn given to ISP's to deploy a national fibre optic network across the US that they pocketed. Absolutely shocking behaviour.
 
Well done Trump voters. Hope you're enjoying America becoming great again ;)
Comments like this do nothing but divide the country even more.

1. You're allowed to vote for a candidate and not agree with 100% of their policies. There are hundreds of issues a president tends to over their tenure, so stop acting like all Trump voters cast their vote with a "haha the internet will die now!" mentality.

2. The reaction to the net neutrality stuff is so unbelievably overblown, it's insane. The internet will continue on, and we'll forget that this even happened 6 months from now when literally nothing changes.

3. Nothing is as black and white as you and many other people are making it out to be. For every downside that comes with repealing net neutrality, there are upsides (at least from the republicans' point of view). It's not like they're going into this whole ordeal licking their chops at the thought of the internet collapsing. They have good motives whether you like it or not.

FWIW, I am in support of net neutrality. I'm not supporting the ruling today by any means - I'm only judging the ridiculous overreaction to it all and the asinine attacks from the anti-Trumpers as though all Trump voters must agree 100% with everything Trump does. Again, nothing is that black and white.
 
It is good because as Pai said it is to stop the federal government from "micromanaging the internet". He also said, "It is not going to destroy the internet. It is not going to end the internet as we know it. It is not going to kill democracy. It is not going to stifle free expression online,". So quit worrying so much!! I support Trump and if he says it is good I believe it is a good thing. He is doing everything to try an make America great again after the left has almost destroyed it.
I think you forgot the j/k and the end of the statement.
 
That's your opinion, but I like watching Netflix. It's not just that though; it's also video chat and even mobile payment systems that were impacted prior to the Net Neutrality regulations. A previous poster detailed this.

All of these so called problems are solved easily. Make the providers pay for all the fees and access charges. They pass it on to the consumer anyway regardless. This is a non-issue. If you don't like the add-on price increases, cancel your subscription; enough people cancel these greedy corporations will get the drift.

Money changes everything. Tax enough of these greedy companies they will all protest and something gets fixed. Consumers complaining does absolutely NOTHING.
 
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Why shouldn't bandwidth hogs pay more?

I mean its not like we have things like the California PUC which set unrealistic baselines usage and then triple your electricity rates. But I guess that is OK because it is a progressive government setting the prices for a private corporation to gouge the taxpayer.

Profits over people!!!
 
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So it will be the same mess as it was pre 2015, oh wait it wasn't a mess then and it won't now...

But those bills that went down after 2015 will go back up now, oh wait they didn't go down after 2015...

But, but, but Trump's an idiot so everything he approves, we disapprove even though it really isn't that big of a deal.

Do you know that Netflix started paying ISPs for faster access before 2015, right? This stopped in 2015 and now, we will get to pay. And this is a huge deal. Want to use Netflix and not Directv now on ATT, guess what there can now be fee for that before today it was not allowed and you can say they were not doing it before 2015, but they were, they were slowing services like Netflix down in favor of their own.
 
Why shouldn't bandwidth hogs pay more?

They already pay more, by buying a internet connection fast enough.

I paid my internet provider for access, now I have to pay twice. My internet provider and every extortionist between me and the server... Several times, to Netflix, to google, to apple... The only way services like Netflix can pay is by getting the money from me.
 
It's still a good predictor of the types of things our monopolies would love to implement here, especially to curtail everyone dumping their garbage over priced TV services..

Sure and someone will come along and offer an ISP that doesn't have those restrictions and gives superior service. Like many of the municipal ones. Or EPB in TN. Or many of the smaller WiSPs.

What you have to remember is you have the ultimate power. Cancel the Internet (life will go on) and if enough people do they will see profits go down and they will rescind the changes. You're starting to see that shift with cord cutting eating into cable TV.

Heck, if enough people stop using the Internet and it eats into YouTubs, Google, Apple, etc's profits, one of them will put a stop to it real quick. Or buy a few ISP's and roll their own.
 
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