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The side where a political party worked with Russia to fabricate a document, then the husband of the fabricator was put in change of the investigation for the FBI who then also worked with Russia to 'confirm' the validity of the fabricated document resulting in a patrician independent prosecutor???

Broke like that?
Really...this has to be your job.

I mean like wow....better get my tin foil hat and watch out for all those liberals and their crazy scheming. :rolleyes:
 
I think we'll be ok. The free market will naturally prevent ISPs from screwing with customers too much. If my ISP pulls anything, I'll just switch ISPs.

Is this sarcasm? Because the majority of Americans have exactly ONE choice of ISP. Those that have more than one can usually choose between two behemoths—Comcast or Verizon, say—who will probably both be screwing with the connection. With Comcast you'll enjoy fast access to NBC shows, but with Verizon you get unlimited access to AOL.com!
 
You obviously don't understand supply/demand or any idea of economics. :/

Right now I only have ONE internet service provider I can choose. There is only ONE available to my neighborhood. Many people live where there aren't cell signals. It's not supply/demand at all.

Especially with new services. There is no demand yet, so if AT&T/Verizon just quash it, it can never come to be and get any demand.
 
For all of you who say "but nothing was wrong before", please see my previous post that shows at least 10+ instances of ISP's blocking YOUR access to areas of the net while holding companies hostage and YOU get the shaft.

It DID happen. People DID get screwed over.

This isn't "fear mongering from the left". Look up "Netflix throttling" on Google and remember when your streaming SUCKED because of ISP's demand for more money.
 
First of all this has nothing to do with the Commerce Clause, which dictates the powers of Congress not the FCC. Second, the prohibition of marijuana isn't a particularly partisan issues, and insofar as it is, it is the Republicans who steadfastly refuse to legalize it (Jeff Sessions is a particular vociferous opponent of legalization). So not sure what your point is there...

Ignoring the Commerce Clause, what section(s) of the Constitution authorizes the creation of the FCC or FTC and/or those agencies regulation of commerce?
 
So why is this taking this law away good then? Just because Trump said so? Tell me the benefits of it instead of just being politically partisan.

And tell me all the 'horror' stories of this law from 2015 to 2017. What did this law prevent you from doing?

It is good because as Pai said it is to stop the federal government from "micromanaging the internet". He also said, "It is not going to destroy the internet. It is not going to end the internet as we know it. It is not going to kill democracy. It is not going to stifle free expression online,". So quit worrying so much!! I support Trump and if he says it is good I believe it is a good thing. He is doing everything to try an make America great again after the left has almost destroyed it.
 
Did they really add a provision that States can't make their own rules? And would that really stand in court? I think only Congress would have such authority, not the FCC, and AFAIK there was no vote on it?
I hope States will be able to fight back, I know they are already preparing to take action here in WA.
Actually, it is very likely that it would be upheld in court. The Federal Government has constitutional jurisdiction over "Interstate Commerce". Comcast, Verizon, TimeWarner, etc. all operate over multiple states as does Netflix, Amazon, Facebook, etc. About the only way someone could challenge this from a States rights perspective would be for a person in one state who accesses a locally hosted website through a locally run ISP using a local bank card to challenge the FCC rules. Even then, it is very likely that the Internet traffic will still flow through a node in another state.

During the Clinton Administration, the Department of Justice tried to use the Interstate Commerce clause in the Lopez case which was heard before the U.S. Supreme Court. The Lopez case involved federal firearms charges being filed against a person for possessing a firearm near school property in violation of a federal law prohibiting guns within so many yards of a school. When asked by Justice Thomas what gave Congress the authority to pass such a law, the Justice Department lawyer gave a convoluted answer about how the presence of firearms interfered with education which in turn impacted a state's productivity and ultimately Interstate Commerce. Yes, that is a tremendous stretch but the DOJ attorney made the argument with a straight face.

Bottom line is that the Federal Government does have Constitutional authority to regulate (or not regulate) Interstate Commerce. Whether you like "net neutrality" decision or not, the decision is likely to withstand a court challenge.
 
Right now I only have ONE internet service provider I can choose. Only ONE comes into my house. Many people live where there aren't cell signals. It's not supply/demand at all.

Especially with new services. There is no demand yet, so if AT&T/Verizon just quash it, it can never come to be and get any demand.

Literally every market in the (continental) United States has more than 1 ISP.
 
Makes zero difference.

1) If you are stuck with Comcast in your area; you're screwed anyway even before any of this net neutrality nonsense. There is no other competitor available in your area where Comcast exists. Where is the "law" to help regulate this nonsense then?

2) Comcast throttles Netflix; this I have evidence of. 100% factual. Now they can do it legally; well they did it before illegally - and now with their 1TB monthly limit on internet usage, they can say you used XX amount of bandwidth they want. It's their word against your and check the web for tons of complaints about how they calculate their data usage.

3) If any company breaks the law, they get fined. So what, they make so many billions, it's like pocket change. Nothing changes even with being net neutral.

4) you guys all panties bunched up; nothing is different. Capitalism sucks for the rest of the USA. Corporations make billions off you. Look at your beloved apple device. Paying $1000+ and being "ok" with that. Double standard hypocrites the lot of you complaining, sheesh.

Whatever these big ISP's do you cannot stop them. There are much more worrying things to worry about aside from your internet connections and web content.

I see the biggest complaints would be these companies paying crap companies like Comcast a major fee to deliver their content. Y'all should be doing something about Comcast instead!
 
The side where a political party worked with Russia to fabricate a document, then the husband of the fabricator was put in change of the investigation for the FBI who then also worked with Russia to 'confirm' the validity of the fabricated document resulting in a patrician independent prosecutor???

Broke like that?

...what are you even talking about? I think you're having trouble keeping your crazy conspiracies straight.
 
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Like they did pre-2015, oh wait...

A lot has changed, and Net Neutrality has been debated for quite some time. I'm sure the only reason some of the worst-case scenarios haven't been enacted yet is because the big corporations are trying to find out the best way to ream their customers without creating too much of a scene.

Obviously, NN laws or the lack of them hasn't had an effect - yet - but it very soon could, especially when everyone is fighting for revenue from streaming services of all sorts, people are looking to cut the cord on cable television, etc.

It's not what's happening now or in the past, its what could happen. Rest assured, this is another Trump present to some high-profile CEO's.
 
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Enjoy the fear mongering.

Guess the internet didn't work at all or wasn't conducive to innovation prior to 2015...right?
Actually, before Net Neutrality was enacted, the groundwork for the image you replied to had started.


2005 – North Carolina ISP Madison River Communications blocked VoIP service Vonage.

2005 – Comcast blocked or severely delayed traffic using the BitTorrent file-sharing protocol. (The company even had the guts to deny this for months until evidence was presented by the Associated Press.)

2007 – AT&T censored Pearl Jam because lead singer criticized President Bush.

2007 to 2009 – AT&T forced Apple to block Skype because it didn’t like the competition. At the time, the carrier had exclusive rights to sell the iPhone and even then the net neutrality advocates were pushing the government to protect online consumers, over 5 years before these rules were actually passed.

2009 – Google Voice app faced similar issues from ISPs, including AT&T on iPhone.

2010 – Windstream Communications, a DSL provider, started hijacking search results made using Google toolbar. It consistently redirected users to Windstream’s own search engine and results.

2011 – MetroPCS, one of the top-five wireless carriers at the time, announced plans to block streaming services over its 4G network from everyone except YouTube.

2011 to 2013 – AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon blocked Google Wallet in favor of Isis, a mobile payment system in which all three had shares. Verizon even asked Google to not include its payment app in its Nexus devices.

2012 – AT&T blocked FaceTime; again because the company didn’t like the competition.

2012 – Verizon started blocking people from using tethering apps on their phones that enabled consumers to avoid the company’s $20 tethering fee.

2014 – AT&T announced a new “sponsored data” scheme, offering content creators a way to buy their way around the data caps that AT&T imposes on its subscribers.

2014 – Netflix started paying Verizon and Comcast to “improve streaming service for consumers.”

2014 – T-Mobile was accused of using data caps to manipulate online competition.
 
For all of you who say "but nothing was wrong before", please see my previous post that shows at least 10+ instances of ISP's blocking YOUR access to areas of the net while holding companies hostage and YOU get the shaft.

It DID happen. People DID get screwed over.

This isn't "fear mongering from the left". Look up "Netflix throttling" on Google and remember when your streaming SUCKED because of ISP's demand for more money.
Those folks aren't going to listen to facts, unfortunately.
 
Makes zero difference.

1) If you are stuck with Comcast in your area; you're screwed anyway even before any of this net neutrality nonsense. There is no other competitor available in your area where Comcast exists. Where is the "law" to help regulate this nonsense then?

2) Comcast throttles Netflix; this I have evidence of. 100% factual. Now they can do it legally; well they did it before illegally - and now with their 1TB monthly limit on internet usage, they can say you used XX amount of bandwidth they want. It's their word against your and check the web for tons of complaints about how they calculate their data usage.

3) If any company breaks the law, they get fined. So what, they make so many billions, it's like pocket change. Nothing changes even with being net neutral.

4) you guys all panties bunched up; nothing is different. Capitalism sucks for the rest of the USA. Corporations make billions off you. Look at your beloved apple device. Paying $1000+ and being "ok" with that. Double standard hypocrites the lot of you complaining, sheesh.

Whatever these big ISP's do you cannot stop them. There are much more worrying things to worry about aside from your internet connections and web content.

I see the biggest complaints would be these companies paying crap companies like Comcast a major fee to deliver their content. Y'all should be doing something about Comcast instead!

You type pretty fast with one hand!
 
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