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made in USA

I would really hope that Apple, some day, will make all its products in US. This would impact the whole industry. This will make it true secretive production and shipment of product can be done in a day.

I want the next president to give tax breaks to companies like these, who bring jobs back to US.
 
While I think there is the possibility that we might see some new type of production method for Macs going forward, if it really is revolutionary... I would think that such a grandiose unveiling is something only the Macworld Stevenote™ could provide. In other words, let's look for this January instead of next Tuesday.

Personally, I hope this new manufacturing process takes into account things other than pure aesthetic style (energy intensity, environmental impact, remanufacturability). Xerox, for example, already does this extensively... hey, maybe Steve can make a visit and get inspired (again :D).

No, in such economy Apple really needs a great product before Holidays. iPods are not gonna do anything.
 
How do you get them inside in the first place?

You always have to ask the hard questions, DON'T YOU??

Steve makes MAGIC, man, MAGIC.

Actually, i suspected they were thinking it was slipped into a shell like an iPod nano. Carving out a block of aluminum is absolutely insane... who would care? Who needs that? It's expensive and fatuous to make billet laptops.
 
You always have to ask the hard questions, DON'T YOU??

Steve makes MAGIC, man, MAGIC.

Actually, i suspected they were thinking it was slipped into a shell like an iPod nano. Carving out a block of aluminum is absolutely insane... who would care? Who needs that? It's expensive and fatuous to make billet laptops.

I came in here to say just that. If you were looking at buying something that isn't going to be functionally antiquated in less than a quarter of a decade then there's no point in it. Despite the costs many computers have become disposable items in the eyes of the manufacturer and consumer.

Billet laptop? Fark that. Give me multi-part, plastic shells and a lower price tag.
 
Brick = MacBook iTablet's case?

I was thinking, an earlier post mentioned ipods and iphones..
Well if Apple wanted to make something "flat" and strong, the idea of the hollowed aluminium brick would work.

Depending on volume and the cost/strength ratio...

So picture this, I was thinking more of the solid aluminium being the back of an iTablet. It would basically look like a uber iPhone (version 1, as that had a metal back and was "flat", rather than the 3G which is black and has a curved back)

Basically, take the parts of the MBA and put those into the aluminium case (but using a dual Atom), keep the superdrive as external. And load up the software for the touchscreen (Leopard).

BTW, from those rumor pics, can anyone tell the dimensions of the proposed brick they want to hollow out?

There's also some literature in the car enthusiast pages re the brick vs forged: http://www.robertpowersmotorsports.com/BilletvsForged.html
 
This interested me so I found a video, here it is if anyone cares.
Neat video. Thanks for sharing.

Despite the costs many computers have become disposable items in the eyes of the manufacturer and consumer.
Agree.

Now the market needs to adjust more to this concept.

So picture this, I was thinking more of the solid aluminium being the back of an iTablet.
Definitely need a strong enclosure for an iTablet type device.
 
I think this is a great move and look forward to seeing the final product, but imagine trying to fix one of those things, or getting inside it :D :D:apple::D
 
One thing they could do...

One thing they could do is cast the shell and then machine it to specs.

Yes, making a notebook shell out of a single block of aluminum would be rather very expensive and wasteful although the scrap is often saved and resold to be melted down again.

The idea of machining cast parts isn't all that odd. That way they could cast them using a 'standard' mold and then machine the blanks to the specs for the model notebook they are making at the time. It would be less expensive and could be done quicker too. Engine blocks, cylinder heads and all kinds of other engine parts are made that way and so are tones of other things too.

The only potentials issue with casting are impurities and porosity, the small bubbles that sometimes develop in cast metals.

Still, interesting to think about...
 
seamless with all the contents fitted inside the case from the back with a couple of screws holding it in. Just like the ipod nano's. The display would be mounted onto a strong frame support inside this seamless case and when work needs to be done, just remove a couple of screws from the back and the WHOLE motherboard and assembly slides out the rear. This would leave the case and a keyboard assembly as one unit.

I like this idea.

LanPhantom

Two words...

pipe

dream
 
I guess that pretty much brings us back to step one, what is the brick ?

This is my theory as to how they are going to get the things in, if apple doesn't CNC the new cases...

How are they going to get it in ?

This little guy
cube_open.jpg

may just be the answer.

Something /*read: brick*/ of the sort that could come out from the back would make sense.

Also, this could (appart from going against all predictions) enable apple to use a thin stamped outer shell and have the structural supports inside of the 'thing' or the internals witch could be referred to as a 'brick'.

It could also allow apple to make 13 and 15" macbooks and 13, 15 and 17" macbook pros to share the same essential shell. It would allow the use of different logic boards and internal layouts without the struggle against the internal bracing of different shells.

That is, if apple is going to merge in some way the macbooks and the macbook pros. Of course, apple being apple, they would probably put different keyboards and screen back-splashes on the higher-end models, or some kind of gimmick.

That could lower the price point quite a bit.
 
The Sand is Running Out

The time seems to be running out for the announcement this fabled Oct14 release date. Its not looking good to me that its going to happen. <DeepSigh/>

Yet again another rumour explosion from one made up report that all the desperate seized upon ?
 
not sure

I been very happy with the construction of my current PowerBook Alum. Never had an issue with the enclosure or the strenght of the case. While it would be cool, at this time I would not consider this manufactoring as supperior over the old and at least to me it does not sound like something that would push me to buy. I also do not think that knowing that it was built from a single alum brick is going to make any difference to the unwashed masses. The case would have to be considerably different to make much difference to the unwashed masses. We geeks would love to have it, I am not sure everyone else would care much.

Now a mid size expandable game oriented Mac, would help. Bring a lot of converts / switchers to the Mac. Larger than a mini with men expansion to 4gig, 2 drive bays, full choice of video cards, 2 Ethernet cards, wifi, blutooth, FireWire and 4 USB ports.
 
One amazing resin ultem is!

I would like to see mbp's injection molded from ultem 2300 or something. big expensive tool, cheap, durable, reproducible cases. haha.

Ultem is really something else in plastics. A few years ago they ran some in one of our R&D labs, very impressive material. I tried to damage a piece with a large ball peen hammer and all I got out of it was tiredness!

Dave
 
Economy

as much as we want to hear of new products, for the general market this is NOT a good time to announce something.
a) the target consumer, rightly distracted by world-wide financial news, is little inclined to respond eagerly to an offer to buy;
b) the announcement would get far less attention (and how skillfully jobs plays that angle) in this economy-roiled news cycle.

I see what you mean, but if this is both low-cost and nice looking, as reports seem to indicate, I could easily see it making the news. All the more so if it's to be "made in the USA" (but I haven't seen anything beyond speculation suggesting it will be).
 
If they are really coming out on the 14th where the hell are the leaks?

no doubt. You would think you could find a macbook pro rumor around a place like this, only a week away. But, nope! Its several hundred guys talking about a manufacturing process. and yet, they write articles about how Apple is loosening up. haha!

StatiK76
 
Question

We all seen how they make hollowed plastic boxes using injection. Would it be possible to create alum items the same way?
 
If they are really coming out on the 14th where the hell are the leaks?

Dude, there is no need to be leaks.
Macbook Air : any real leak???
iMac alu : any real leaks???
Macbook 1st gen :any real leak???
iPhone 1st gen : any real leaks???

When it comes to hardware, there is never any leak.
When it comes to iPods ther is always leaks.
:D
:apple:
 
Machined aluminum block? Don't think so...

***I'm reposting this from the "brick info" topic, since I later found this thread, and it seems relevant over here. Sorry for the double post!***

I'm exceedingly skeptical about the speculation that it's a new manufacturing process involving what amounts to carving out a machine chassis from a solid piece of metal - if this were even remotely feasible on a financial level, then you can bet that fabrication in much higher volume industries would have adopted it already.

The truth is, if you wanted a form that you couldn't achieve through the standard manfacturing process of stamping/rolling/machining sheet metals, and then assembling with fasteners, the next option is casting, which would allow you to achieve the same or better results than machining out of a solid billet of material. Look at high-end molded monocoque aluminum fabrication for bicycle and vehicle frames, and you'll understand that you can create complex shapes with voids and curves and anything you could possibly imagine - certainly anything you'd need out of a computer casing.

Machining a thin, complex, lightweight object out of a solid billet would be so exceedingly wasteful of energy, labor, and materials, and the required precision so hard to achieve, that it would be too costly to possibly be feasible, even taking into account recycling the waste metal, this doesn't work. I highly doubt that Apple is going to develop it's own aluminum foundry to re-cast new billets from waste, and involving a third party for the recycling of metals into it's production costs makes this speculation even more patently absurd.

**edit - forgot to mention this**

The machining-out-a-billet process IS used in industry - but only for prototyping, or the construction of molds (for casting or injection/blow molding). Molds are insanely expensive to fabricate, so initial prototyping for objects is usually accomplished through carving and machining, or a form of rapid prototyping. Once design is finished and approved, molds are created, and then the final product is cast or molded.

** edit done **

Additionally, as a sidenote, I also highly doubt that the 'brick' refers to a Windows-smashing somethingorother. Firstly, Apple's marketing is consistently clever, and 'brick = smashing windows' is far too loose and random a metaphor to be plausible. Secondly, while the "I'm a mac / I'm a PC" campaign has been successful, I don't for a second believe that going toe-to-toe with MS is the central obsession of Apple's business strategy, and therefore it's doubtful that they'd expand the anti-MS marketing any further.

Apple knows that it's core differentiator is a consistent stream of well-design, contemporary objects of desire, that happen to also be highly functional and well integrated with each other. It's customer loyalty, and acquisition, are based on the premium nature of it's products, and the perception that there is constant innovation occurring that puts novel and *usable* (ie. not something as abstract as a manufacturing process) features in the hands of it's users before the competition can follow suit.

I'm definitely of the opinion that the 'brick' - if that rumor is even remotely true, and there IS a 'brick' - refers to externalizing connectivity features to the power supply (video connections, usb, fw, ethernet, etc). Either that or a new take on the Mini.

That's my $0.02.
 
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