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Features omitted from the new M1 Pro and M1 Max Models.
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To unlock an iPhone with Face ID, you have to make the choice to hold the phone in front of your face. Granted, you confirm an Apple Pay purchase before using Face ID, actually unlocking the Mac from a login screen would still require that extra step of intention for security.
The bezels on my 2020 iPad Pro are 8mm and on my 2021 MBP they are 3mm. iPad bezels are more than twice as thick.
Why? Why would you need an extra step with the Mac and not with an iPhone or iPad? I use "unlock with Apple Watch" on my Mac and it doesn't require any extra step. As soon as I wake the computer or display, it unlocks.
I've read it, and I don't see how Face ID is redundant. Perhaps you could explain how you think it is in a single sentence.
What he's saying is that for purchases and other tasks you would still need to "press" a button to confirm.
FaceID assumes that every transaction is presumptively approved (until you confirm), whereas TouchID is purposeful and offers a clear intention of the user (in a single step).
From my earlier post (clearly unread)..
"I agree with what others have said about FaceID here...as a "blanket" unlock, it is not an instructive method for completing tasks like TouchID is. There is simply no way to distinguish/control/command individual intentions with FaceID alone other than a universal "Unlock." Now, I certainly wouldn't mind if the MBP had both FaceID and TouchID, but I'm glad the new MBP doesn't have only FaceID."
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No, go back and look at what I was quoting. He was talking about the login screen.
Have you actually used a device with Face ID before? Because that's simply not true. You still have to press some sort of confirm button (e.g. "Pay with Apple Pay") before approving a transaction with Face ID.
I've been using Face ID for about 4 years now and have never had any sort of "oh crap! didn't mean to do that" moment with it.
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I wouldn't say the iPad has thin bezels. They're kinda thicc. No notch there because the iPad is designed to be used in any orientation.
About FaceID on a laptop:
I presume most users work alone at their device, BUT I sit in front of my MacBook with students or collaborators occasionally. I prefer a deliberate action to unlock a device that's sitting on a table in a room full of people (and I'm using 16").
The iPhone and iPad are more personal devices, in every sense (a laptop may be shared). I wouldn't appreciate a FaceID system (not just a camera!) in a device and having to deactivate it.
I don't think I'll be using the card reader or HDMI soon... but at least I don't have to annul them, and are welcomed.
...And, as somebody pointed before: Why should two ID systems exist if just one (and cheaper) is enough?
I presume most users work alone at their device, BUT I sit in front of my MacBook with students or collaborators occasionally. I prefer a deliberate action to unlock a device that's sitting on a table in a room full of people (and I'm using 16").
The iPhone and iPad are more personal devices, in every sense (a laptop may be shared). I wouldn't appreciate a FaceID system (not just a camera!) in a device and having to deactivate it.
I don't think I'll be using the card reader or HDMI soon... but at least I don't have to annul them, and are welcomed.
...And, as somebody pointed before: Why should two ID systems exist if just one (and cheaper) is enough?
the explanation for no face id is on the ifixit teardown. the face id hardware simply is too thick for the display.
notch is a non issue. they could’ve made it thinner but i believe face id will eventually take up that full space when it comes to the mac.
wouldn’t really matter the size of it either
notch is a non issue. they could’ve made it thinner but i believe face id will eventually take up that full space when it comes to the mac.
wouldn’t really matter the size of it either
I don't understand why you would want to sit in front of an open but locked laptop. If you're not using it, then simply close the lid or sleep the display. And you wouldn't have to deactivate Face ID - you simply wouldn't set it up when you set up your Mac.
I understand the preference against Face ID due to masks, etc. (for people who don't have an Apple Watch), but that's about it. These other reasons simply don't make any sense to me.
Because unlocking a secure device should be a deliberate action.
You make the choice to pick up an iPhone and hold it in front of your face, then swipe up to use the phone.
Even if the Mac had a similar feature where it would unlock but not take you directly to the desktop (ie stay on the login screen), it would still require a deliberate action to get to the desktop. Touch ID already does this.
Therefore, using the trackpad and clicking on your login icon to get to the desktop following Face ID offers no advantage.
But it still would be with Face ID. If you didn't want to unlock the laptop then you simply wouldn't open the lid (or wake the screen, as the case may be) and stare directly at the Face ID camera (all those things are deliberate actions). Like I asked, why would you do any of those things if you didn't intend to actually use the laptop (which obviously requires it to be unlocked)? Makes no sense. And for people who use the Unlock with Apple Watch feature on Touch ID Macs, it's even more automatic than Face ID anyway since you don't even have to look directly at the laptop.
No I can't. Not in one sentence. But... it's a) potentially undesirable (I don't necessarily want to unlock my Mac every time I glance at it), b) wouldn't apply to anyone using their MacBook in clamshell mode, c) not needed with TouchID present. After all, how hard is it to flip the screen up and touch a button on the keyboard?
Note that the third point is one that's ONLY relevant for Macs and is the main reason to not bother with Face ID on them. If you've flipped open your Mac you're almost certainly going to do something on it involving the keyboard whereas that's not true of iOS devices. Given that you're about to use the keyboard, it's stupidly easy to simply tap the Touch ID button to unlock the Mac. Face ID doesnt add anything here in terms of convenience or ease of use.
This is a KEY difference between the iOS devices and the Mac. On iOS, when you go to use it you look at the screen and then will swipe or otherwise interact with the screen directly. You'd ONLY touch the button to unlock the device since there are no other buttons on it. ON a Mac, a necessary part of the interaction you're about to have with the Mac is touching the keyboard.
There's a natural congruence between the action you're taking to use the device and the action you take to unlock it. On iOS, looking at the screen. On a Mac, placing your hands on the keyboard.
Aside from the wow factor, what does Face ID really add for the Mac? Nothing. It's not that they couldn't do it, it's that it poses engineering and cost issues for no real benefit aside from the wow factor.
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iPhones and iPad are portable slabs. There's also no iOS device with both Touch ID and Face ID.
Plenty of times I temporarily left my MBP just sitting on the table or desk with the lid open, and it goes to sleep from being inactive. I wouldn't want the display to wake up every time I look at it. And no, I don't close the lid every single time it the display turns off in to sleep.
And if Face ID would require a touchpad or keypress to activate, then that's very redundant since I could just rest my finger on the Touch ID button.
First, let me clarify that I have nothing against Touch ID . . . I'm just trying to understand the opposition to Face ID and am struggling to see most of the "problems" some here are bringing up as actual problems. Personally, I'd be happy with either.
I've already explained the unlocking part (apparently there are some here that want to stare at their lock screen without actually unlocking their computer? I don't get it).
As for clamshell mode, well, BOTH Touch ID and Face ID don't work then since both are now hidden under the closed lid. In either case you'd have to use the external keyboard with Touch ID or use the Unlock with Apple Watch feature. So I'm not sure how that's an argument against either built-in method.
As for it not being needed with Touch ID present, well, you could say the same thing about Touch ID not being needed if Face ID were present, lol. I mean, after all, how hard is it to flip the screen up and look at it? So I'm not sure how that's a meaningful argument either.
Anyway, I don't think Face ID blows Touch ID out of the water or anything. Some think it's slightly faster, and it also adapts to your changing appearance. Touch ID requires you to use 1 or 2 specific fingers and you have to reset it if you want to change that. And if you have gloves on, that can be an issue with Touch ID just like facial coverings can be with Face ID (again, both of those issues are eliminated for Apple Watch users). Obviously none of that is earth-shattering, but just as some may feel strongly about Touch ID (as you obviously do), some may feel strongly about Face ID.
If it's asleep your face wouldn't unlock it unless you wake it again. Non-issue.
I totally agree with the sentiment that the MacBook is primarily a keyboard and trackpad focused experience, and as such the user’s hands are already going to be in that zone after opening the lid. Therefore, it would make less sense for Apple to remove Touch ID and replace it with Face ID on a MacBook.
Is it a different story with iMacs where the Face ID sensors + camera modules (four of them) would be feasible in a larger chassis? Who knows. But Personally I don’t think Apple would want to break-up this login process across their products too much - it would become very scattered.
In addition, I do feel that the case for Face ID is more realistic on a desktop Mac than a notebook. A portable device like the latter obviously has more chance of being stolen during the login stage.
I also think there is little chance that they would include both on any Mac - it would be a silly cost increase.
Is it a different story with iMacs where the Face ID sensors + camera modules (four of them) would be feasible in a larger chassis? Who knows. But Personally I don’t think Apple would want to break-up this login process across their products too much - it would become very scattered.
In addition, I do feel that the case for Face ID is more realistic on a desktop Mac than a notebook. A portable device like the latter obviously has more chance of being stolen during the login stage.
I also think there is little chance that they would include both on any Mac - it would be a silly cost increase.
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Just resting(not pushing) my finger on the Touch ID wakes it from sleep, while the lid is already open.
So wouldn't that be quicker and more convenient than Face ID, if you have to actually push a button or swipe the touchpad to enable Face ID?
Just resting(not pushing) my finger on the Touch ID wakes it from sleep, while the lid is already open.
So wouldn't that be quicker and more convenient than Face ID, if you have to actually push a button or swipe the touchpad to enable Face ID?
I'd actually call that more like a wash, but my point was the issue you were thinking would exist wouldn't actually exist. Personally, I use unlock with Apple Watch, which is actually faster than either method if I'm raising the lid to wake the computer.