Federal Lawsuit Filed Over Apple's Location Tracking in iOS [Updated]

because as we know, there's no end to the absurd lengths people will declare their rights trod upon.

I do agree with you that this whole thing is a big 'ole waste of time and money, I would have appreciated it if Apple told me that this file existed. I certainly know they knew where I was at any given moment. I remember when old cell phones had the ability to turn off the 911 location option, I always turned mine on.

It would have been nice to know about the file and had the option to delete it if I want.

This is waaaayy overblown now.
 
Wow, more people just trying to get money out of a successful company. Almost every phone tracks your location no matter what brand it is. I don't have an iPhone but there must be an option to turn off location tracking, but even if you did many great Apps out there wouldn't work if you did turn off location tracking.
 
I agree, Apple is pretty ridiculous at times.

That must be who you meant, since you clearly haven't had time to read the lawsuit yet.

Or do you think all lawsuits are 'money grubbers'?

Personally, I think all lawsuits are 'Money Grubbers' and should be barred from filing unless there is evidence of criminal intent against the user. Right now the reports are so vague that I expect by the time this lawsuit hits the court, the judge will simply throw it out as frivolous.
 
Wow, ignorance is bliss I guess. These idiots are going to sue Google next, right? Because if they think iOS is bad about tracking people, they're going to lose their **** when they see what Android does.
 
This suit has merit. If I turn off location services there should be no record of where I go.

With that and other simple info I can find out where you work, where you bank, where you live, what time you usually get home. All it takes is one website or email attachment to compromise your device. This info is not encrypted.

I do think if Any device does this they should be sued
 
See, I have a very different opinion.

Apple has an image of things just working. Apple actively promotes this image. The image is includes the idea that people don't have to worry about the details, like security of their devices. Even for backups, Apple makes it so all you need to have full backups is plug in an $50 usb drive.

That said, looking at the iPhone the way it is intended to be used, it's an accessory of your computer. A mobile remote with limited access to the "main" computer. If we except that view point, then;
-the iPhone can safely assume the desktop it's connected to is safe and secure, (realistically, if "hackers" have control of your PC they have access to all the data that can gathered from your iphone anyway.)
-iOS is a closed system. (If you jailbreak you are already knowing voiding the warranties offered by the trusted computing model.)
-I'd imagine that encrypting a frequently used file would increase processing use, so data transfer, and reduce battery life.

I would understand if you were arguing that iOS should encrypted all user data, (although that would be a difference conversation.)


So, I basically, I think the file should not be encrypted, but that Apple has quite a but of responsibility for the user's data security.

I totally agree with many of the things you say, fully, and 100%.

THAT is my problem with Apple in general, it gives people way to big of a sense of security, a False one at that.

While computers are getting easier and easier to use, that means there is a lot more automation and "behind the curtain" things that are going on now, something that very few people (even on forums like this) understand, or know how to watch for.

It's frustrating for me to be the "tech guy" of the family, always trying to un-do the mistakes family members are making with regards to security / data protection.

At a minimum, I wish more people listened to Podcasts like Security Now, or read up on actual Data Security. It is something that is going to become more and more important as we move forward in this Digital era.
 
This suit has merit. If I turn off location services there should be no record of where I go.

With that and other simple info I can find out where you work, where you bank, where you live, what time you usually get home. All it takes is one website or email attachment to compromise your device. This info is not encrypted.

I do think if Any device does this they should be sued

Sued for breaking what law?
 
As a consumer, why should I be subjected to this risk which doesn't benefit me in the slightest? And why should this data be "backed up," secretly, to my computer?
Your phone stores this so as to keep from having to re-install connection locations every time you move a few hundred feet. It's "subjecting" you to better battery life by not having to work as hard to keep you connected. Oh noes.

...And it backs up the data for the same reason it backs up EVERYTHING when you sync -- so you can restore without losing any of the data on the phone.

What, you want crappy battery life, slower speeds, and loss of data if you need to restore your phone?

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Sued for breaking what law?


Being sued and breaking the law are two different things. I can sue you for killing the tree between our yards. You didnt break any law, but I can still sue.

I kinda see where he is a bit right. If I turn off or say no to allowing the apps to use my location this might suggest to the user that it is not tracking and storing this data. I do not think that it is a stretch to make that connection.

I do agree this is way out of hand though.
 
Being sued and breaking the law are two different things. I can sue you for killing the tree between our yards. You didnt break any law, but I can still sue.

I kinda see where he is a bit right. If I turn off or say no to allowing the apps to use my location this might suggest to the user that it is not tracking and storing this data. I do not think that it is a stretch to make that connection.

I do agree this is way out of hand though.

Then it would be a frivolous lawsuit and it would be dismissed.

So, there really isn't a point buddy. :D
 
As a consumer, why should I be subjected to this risk which doesn't benefit me in the slightest? And why should this data be "backed up," secretly, to my computer?
Your phone stores this so as to keep from having to re-install connection locations every time you move a few hundred feet. It's "subjecting" you to better battery life by not having to work as hard to keep you connected. Oh noes.

...And it backs up the data for the same reason it backs up EVERYTHING when you sync -- so you can restore without losing any of the data on the phone.

What, you want crappy battery life, slower speeds, and loss of data if you need to restore your phone?

.

All I can say is that I've encountered none of these horrors since installing untrackerd last week.
 
Apple has just brought us the closest we have EVER been to 1984.

Complete fail.

Mainly - you have the option to not buy or use an iPhone. Or any phone for that matter.

You have no idea how technology works, do you?

First of all, ever since the very first cell phones - anyone carrying ANY cell phone is being tracked.

Second, you are tracked HUNDREDS of ways! Credit cards, Bank accounts, store loyalty programs, car black boxes, GPS units, traffic cameras, security cameras, internet use, video game networks, etc etc...

Third: Apple is not the government. The government has to follow specific rules about tracking people (like warrants, etc). Apple is a private corporation that you WILLINGLY entered into a contractual agreement with. Every iPhone user has accepted a terms of service which says that location information will be stored. Period. There is no invasion of anything - if you activated an iPhone YOU AGREED TO IT WILLINGLY.

Fourth: NO ONE CARES WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN. So many people act like all we want in the world is to find out that you went to 7/11 last thursday and got a bag of doritos. No one but 7/11 and Doritos cares, and they already know...

Fifth: All of the people crying foul have not even looked at the real data. The real data is wildly inaccurate from a location tracking standpoint. So you are all bitching about someone knowing where you have been within a mile or two. Unless you are in rural Nevada or Wyoming, there are several other people and lots of possible "locations" in that square few miles. If you are in rural Nevada or Wyoming there are no AT&T towers there to register your location against so you are safe too.

Sixth: If you really really care, jailbreak your phone and delete the file.
 
Ladies Ladies... they are storing information that should be private(yes, indeed), but let's not blow this out of proportion.

THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING YOU!!!

The OS or iOS collects & stores this information like many platforms for specific reasons... Android, does indeed do the very same type of stored information of the 3 cell-tower's estimation of location.

The really REALLY bad news is that this information is stored in your iPhone as well as the actual device(Mac or PC) you sync your iPhone/iPad with. The information get's logged correctly... but what is not correct is how it is securely(insecurely) being stored - we are talking about Privacy.

THE iPHONE IS JUST NOT AS SECURE AS IT SHOULD BE!!!

The file should be stored(for technical specific reasons), but not with this lack of diligence on user privacy...

APPLE, you need a way to log this info in a much more secure atmosphere if the iOS does truly need this information for specific OS reasons.
 
Ladies Ladies... they are storing information that should be private(yes, indeed), but let's not blow this out of proportion.

THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING YOU!!!

The OS or iOS collects & stores this information like many platforms for specific reasons... Android, does indeed do the very same type of stored information of the 3 cell-tower's estimation of location.

The really REALLY bad news is that this information is stored in your iPhone & as well as the actual device(Mac or PC) you sync your iPhone too. The information get's logged correctly... but we are talking about Privacy.

THE iPHONE IS JUST NOT AS SECURE AS IT SHOULD BE!!!

The file should be stored(for technical specific reasons), but not with this lack of diligence on user privacy...

APPLE, you need a way to log this info in a much more secure atmosphere if the iOS does truly need this information for specific reasons.

I don't get this either. If someone can get the file off your computer, then they can get any file off your computer. Email, web browsing history, address book, whatever. My phone is password protected and so is my computer.
 
If people bothered to read the software agreement, it's in section 4b that states that the location may be recorded.

(Well, I think so anyway)
 
I'm fine with the data storage on my phone of where I have been based on cell tower locations. It's up to me to protect and secure my own phone.

The reason I think this media blast again Apple is mainly BS is because 3 out of the 4 explanations of WHY this data collection is so Evil or Worrisome is based on some sort of "your dating partner could track your whereabouts" example. Huh? I've seen that example recycled at least 10 times in various tech sites.

So this would be 75% (my own numbers) less a big deal if tech bloggers were less concerned about getting busted for cheating around or going to places they said they weren't?

I know it is an over simplified scenario, but still, stop cheating, stop hitting the strip club or etc if you don't want to get busted. Better yet, break up with your partner and go crazy.

I do NOT like "Big Brother" looking into my business, but it's my ass if I lie or play around and I don't blame Apple, Google or anyone else for that if I get busted.

The people that complain about this security issue need to find a better main example for this genuine (but rather minor) security flaw IMO.
 
Except secured

How does an encrypted db aide your sense of security when the information is about publicly listed cell towers [FCC registered], and ends up at Google which profiles your activities for trends which then allows them to resell this information through their AdSense service and more?

How did your sense of security become violated when the Telcos have historically sold your contact information to third parties who flood your mail box with junk mail and get you on lists w/o your consent? Does it send you through the roof that your liberties are being violated?

Do you scream at Safeway, Albertsons, Starbucks and every other business that profiles your buying habits that it pushes you to file a class action lawsuit?

I think not.

This and all subsequent lawsuits will be thrown out. Apple is in compliance with the FCC rules and regulations set by Congress.

If you notice, Congress has been conspicuously absent since sending off a letter to Steven P. Jobs.

The only people pushing this story are blogs and journalists [HuffingtonPost, WSJ, etc] because it gets them massive click through results.

People are crying about a location service doing what it's designed to do, yet they acted as if RFID tags that WalMart wanted to deploy, a few years back, was no big deal.

One of the obvious reasons Apple sees no reason to encrypt the db is it's one extra process to decrypt/encrypt each time a new tower cell is logged to the phone as it keeps probing for the best signal, shortest path to that signal solution, across a spread spectrum.

But then again, I forget that 99% of all consumers are Physicists, Engineers, Mathematicians, Doctors, and we produce children with Ph.D's ala Wesley Crusher dealing with Particle Physics at the tender age of 15 so commonly that the thought of an unintelligent human has long since become a relic to the evolution of the species.

While everyone screams about tracking they conveniently ignore the IP address that keeps them tracked using their own computer(s).
 
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