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The good thing is that I am finally getting the new version. I will be macless for a month, but only after a week of using the mac, I don't feel like going back to my Vaio.

I know that technically, I bought the stuff, and opened the pack. So it was more about feeling cheated and that in most other countries you are allowed to get a replacement. But then I learnt about the difference between apple and its resellers and the policy. And in my opinion, even if its not Apple and its just the reseller, they too should have a policy in place for such demands made within a week. Whenever you spend so much of money, you should not feel dissatisfied within just a week. That is my opinion. And in this case the reseller agreed. So its all good.

@monokakata Hey, from later comments its obvious you dint mean to be mean. So I guess I read to much into it. Sorry for that. But in the future, please don't generalize, patronize or assume things about people you don't know. You mentioned a bunch of 'if's' but that does not count. Intent can easily be felt. You could have done without all that. You really could have done without all that. Anyway, the matter is now forgotten.

Regarding the difference in specs, here is what I gather:

- 3 hours less battery (however someone mentioned that they have changed the scale used, and its still as good)
- the graphics is poor (is it as good, or worse than the previous edition? but I thought 384 would be much better than 256)

+ HD camera!
+ more powerful (upto 3.4Ghz turbo boost, dual intel i 5's)
+ thunderbolt

I would have paid upto 300 dollars for going from the core 2 duo to an i5, with the hd camera. what do the others think?

Btw, this forum seems like a good place to be. I like that people are active and passionate about this place.
 
+∞ internets!

***OP updated as I posted. Congratz on truly NEW MacBook Pro***
If you ever chose to buy an Apple again, bookmark the "Buyer's Guide" tab that's at the top of MacRumors.

It gives you the update history for virtually every Apple product, as well as an educated guess on when the next refresh may occur.


My first Apple purchase was the iPod Photo... 3 weeks before the iPod Video came out!:eek: Meh, I feel the OP's pain. It was after this harsh learning experience that I first discovered the "Buyer's Guide". I now live and die by this guide when it comes to me even considering to make a purchase. Look at cycle refresh history and then recent rumors; from there you can "safely" make an Apple purchase and not feel "cheated".
Better luck next time:cool:
 
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i would keep it

The good thing is that I am finally getting the new version. I will be macless for a month, but only after a week of using the mac, I don't feel like going back to my Vaio.

I know that technically, ...

Bah, I would have kept the computer and enjoyed also for the month or so you'll now be without. What do you need the i5 for anyway? it's a 13" you bought...sure you're not planning to use it as a workstation...so C2D is plenty. Mind you, I have just upgraded from an old 13" to a 15"...the main reason not being the need for speed, but the 13"s useless resolution...
 
The good thing is that I am finally getting the new version. I will be macless for a month, but only after a week of using the mac, I don't feel like going back to my Vaio.

I know that technically, I bought the stuff, and opened the pack. So it was more about feeling cheated and that in most other countries you are allowed to get a replacement. But then I learnt about the difference between apple and its resellers and the policy. And in my opinion, even if its not Apple and its just the reseller, they too should have a policy in place for such demands made within a week. Whenever you spend so much of money, you should not feel dissatisfied within just a week. That is my opinion. And in this case the reseller agreed. So its all good.

@monokakata Hey, from later comments its obvious you dint mean to be mean. So I guess I read to much into it. Sorry for that. But in the future, please don't generalize, patronize or assume things about people you don't know. You mentioned a bunch of 'if's' but that does not count. Intent can easily be felt. You could have done without all that. You really could have done without all that. Anyway, the matter is now forgotten.

Regarding the difference in specs, here is what I gather:

- 3 hours less battery (however someone mentioned that they have changed the scale used, and its still as good)
- the graphics is poor (is it as good, or worse than the previous edition? but I thought 384 would be much better than 256)

+ HD camera!
+ more powerful (upto 3.4Ghz turbo boost, dual intel i 5's)
+ thunderbolt

I would have paid upto 300 dollars for going from the core 2 duo to an i5, with the hd camera. what do the others think?

Btw, this forum seems like a good place to be. I like that people are active and passionate about this place.

Congrats on figuring out a way to get the newer MBP!

You are in the same situation I was in when I bought my Macbook. I took it back, paid restocking and walked out with the newer Penryn model and I was quite happy. How happy? My Macbook geekbenches at over 3100 so that even today I don't "need" to upgrade to the MBP until I'm good and ready.

In a few years when the 3 terahertz i9 16-core 3d 1080p MBP with 750 gig of SSD comes out you can take your sweet time upgrading because you got the fastest machine available today rather than "settling" for a machine that would "feel" a lot slower a lot sooner.

As for the definition of the word "new", I think people in this thread are working way too hard to figure it out. Apple is a for profit company and I have no doubt they would cheerfully sell you last year's stuff at next year's price if they could get away with it. As it turns out, they can't and it's sites like Macrumors that help us recognize the new stuff and tell it apart from the old stuff. There is an example from a few decades ago that justifies what any big company will do to protect their bottom line. Osborne let it slip they were coming out with a new model while they still had a warehouse full of old ones. They went out of business.

Nobody wants to "pull an Osborne" hence the tendency for Apple to surround new product launches with total secrecy while quietly letting the pipeline dry up so they aren't stuck with a bunch of old models to have to sell off at a possible loss once the new models are announced. I suppose one could attribute this tendency to call anything presently sitting on the shelf "new" some sort of evil but it is simply self preservation. Would you suggest Apple stop selling MBP 7 days before a new model comes out? Why not 14 days? Why not 28? It is this tension between Apple's need to preserve the value of existing stock and our need to avoid buying "old stuff" that makes sites like Macrumors so valuable.
 
Not equal in specs - I do have the spec list. The newer one has 3 hours less battery life, but it has a slightly better processor (still dual-core) and thunderbolt. Same screen res, still no matte option and same memory. Some kind of upgrade... But of course - they are not equal in terms of specs. It's just that I myself wouldn't prefer one of them over the other. YMMV.

Even when you're paying the same price? And knowing that the resale value will be affected? I can't understand that attitude at all, but then I always did keep one eye on the finances, perhaps to my detriment at times.

Just a quick note regarding the battery life - the real world usage hasn't changed, essentially; but the method they use to measure it has, significantly.
 
Btw, this forum seems like a good place to be. I like that people are active and passionate about this place.

first thing: congrats on getting the new mac... i wouldve upgraded it too but i am thinking about waiting until 2013 because thats most likely going to be the 2nd gen. of the newer models [if the MBP's go through a design change next year ]

but as far as the forum goes.. its a great place, there are a lot of helpful people out there, but sometimes misunderstandings occur and since its not face to face you can't correct them and well things just start to snowball :p

but I'm glad you like the forums..
 
Even when you're paying the same price?
Ok - you got me there. I wouldn't have paid the same price for them now after the refresh - but then again, the computer of TS was obviously worth the money before the refresh, so why not after? It's still the same computer.

Oh, and btw, to what extent will the resale value be affected? I'm a bit curious about this. Are we talking about $100 or $300-400?
 
Ok - you got me there. I wouldn't have paid the same price for them now after the refresh - but then again, the computer of TS was obviously worth the money before the refresh, so why not after? It's still the same computer.

Oh, and btw, to what extent will the resale value be affected? I'm a bit curious about this. Are we talking about $100 or $300-400?

It's not that it's not worth the money after - it's that there's another, more highly specified version, available for the same price. So all else being equal - and it is - you're better off putting the same outlay into the new computer.

I can't quantity exactly how the resale value will be affected, as it depends on a number of factors. Primarily, when OP sells it, and what Apple release in the meantime that could affect his computer's value.

I could hazard a guess, but I'm not too good on used values, and I also think in GBP, and our second hand market is probably a little different to yours, as a result of the higher cost of new Macs :)
 
I could hazard a guess, but I'm not too good on used values, and I also think in GBP, and our second hand market is probably a little different to yours, as a result of the higher cost of new Macs :)
Oh, you live in the UK? Then I can assure you that new Macs cost even a bit more where I'm located.
 
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