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Wow, the first person to come along to your defense and you rip his head off, then pull the race card.
Hey, we all know it's a bit hard for people to understand what they mean when English isn't your first language, but that doesn't entitle you to insult somebody who was trying to help.
If you didn't know Apple was going to release a refresh, then that is solely your problem OP, if there isn't an Apple store in India, oh well, tough luck.
You chose not to research before buying. Nobody "cheated" you.
If you didn't know Apple was going to release a refresh, then that is solely your problem OP, if there isn't an Apple store in India, oh well, tough luck.
You chose not to research before buying. Nobody "cheated" you.
OK - they used to say it for computers, but they are still saying it for other things. Have a look at the description for the Airport Extreme Base Station. It says "New..." In the refurb section the same thing is "Current Generation."
And seriously, using the real word *new* up to the very moment that another *new* becomes available is totally indefensible. Neither new nor "New" in the tech world lasts a year. "Latest" would at least be honest, though probably not appropriate from a marketing perspective.
I like Apple's design very much, and when the Airs go Sandy Bridge I'll be getting one. I have all the regular devices, and upgrade pretty regularly, but NOT for their PR. I have to actively suppress my distaste for their culty propaganda and buy-in verbiage to enjoy the design.
OP:
This whole thing could have been avoided had you first gone to the reseller to ask for an exchange (which according to the thread, you were successful in getting one). Why go through all this trouble? Did you want people over the internet to sympathize with you that you felt "cheated"?
And secondly, to smack down a reader that clearly defended you is pretty low in my opinion, especially throwing the race card. That was absolutely unnecessary.
This whole thing could have been avoided had you first gone to the reseller to ask for an exchange (which according to the thread, you were successful in getting one). Why go through all this trouble? Did you want people over the internet to sympathize with you that you felt "cheated"?
And secondly, to smack down a reader that clearly defended you is pretty low in my opinion, especially throwing the race card. That was absolutely unnecessary.
1. read message 26
2. lol. i am not throwing any cards. neither do i appreciate being generalized. i cant help it if you dont see it. low or whatever, i dont care.
3. good night.
From what I heard, most people learn English in India from school in their early age. I assure you that the other poster wasn't trying to offend you though.
Good luck with the new laptop.
Good luck with the new laptop.
Given a choice, I prefer being flamed by people who understand what I've said and my motive for saying it.
But hey -- it's the net, and nobody has much of a choice about that.
manapple, I wish you well.
But hey -- it's the net, and nobody has much of a choice about that.
manapple, I wish you well.
He could have done it without bringing race and nationality into this discussion or without making generalizations about people who he doesn't even know. First three paragraphs of his post doesn't add anything valuable to the discussion. Last paragraph was more than enough.
But I don't agree with the way manapple reacted though. He could have handled it with less swearing and rude words. I guess people get sick of hearing patronising comments all the time.
less swearing and rude words???
to be honest (im indian too- but raised in USA) i really dont see something wrong with "less swearing and rude words" commented back... sure the professor wasn't being racist, but when a person says you possible aren't "proficient" in english to a foreign person [who has learned english] it does something to you i guess. i have personally had this experience with my english teacher (lol).. he was going over my essay, he looked at me, and said "Hmm was English your first language?"
i burned for a while with anger [but then after a couple minutes, i cooled down and was laughing as i told my friends
]its sort of like telling an american to speak hindi, and criticizing them over their accent or something. but yeah... [not being rude or anything, just trying to explain how others feel i guess.. if that makes sense
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to the OP:
like other posters have mentioned,, dont feel bad that you dont have the "latest!".. i purposefully got the 2010 13" model in December well knowing that there will be a refresh soon. as i read the rumors i felt a bit depressed, but today i love my MBP even more than i did, even with its old C2D because it suits me just fine [im a student btw]...
less swearing and rude words???
to be honest (im indian too- but raised in USA) i really dont see something wrong with "less swearing and rude words" commented back... sure the professor wasn't being racist, but when a person says you possible aren't "proficient" in english to a foreign person [who has learned english] it does something to you i guess. i have personally had this experience with my english teacher (lol).. he was going over my essay, he looked at me, and said "Hmm was English your first language?"
i burned for a while with anger [but then after a couple minutes, i cooled down and was laughing as i told my friends
its sort of like telling an american to speak hindi, and criticizing them over their accent or something. but yeah... [not being rude or anything, just trying to explain how others feel i guess.. if that makes sense
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to the OP:
like other posters have mentioned,, dont feel bad that you dont have the "latest!".. i purposefully got the 2010 13" model in December well knowing that there will be a refresh soon. as i read the rumors i felt a bit depressed, but today i love my MBP even more than i did, even with its old C2D because it suits me just fine [im a student btw]...
lol. Once at work, one english old lady asked me if I was the one who answer the phone because the person who answered the phone didn't have good english. She has never heard me speak. She assumed it was me because of my skin colour (I am Indian as well, but I live in London). It pissed me off a lot. But I kinda got used to it.
@OP Apple usually marks products as new on their online store if the product was recently released. And they remove that usually after a while. However, nobody knows how long they keep products marked as new. It is always a good idea to check buyers guide on macrumors before buying new apple stuff, if you want the latest.
less swearing and rude words???
to be honest (im indian too- but raised in USA) i really dont see something wrong with "less swearing and rude words" commented back... sure the professor wasn't being racist, but when a person says you possible aren't "proficient" in english to a foreign person [who has learned english] it does something to you i guess. i have personally had this experience with my english teacher (lol).. he was going over my essay, he looked at me, and said "Hmm was English your first language?"
i burned for a while with anger [but then after a couple minutes, i cooled down and was laughing as i told my friends
its sort of like telling an american to speak hindi, and criticizing them over their accent or something. but yeah... [not being rude or anything, just trying to explain how others feel i guess.. if that makes sense
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to the OP:
like other posters have mentioned,, dont feel bad that you dont have the "latest!".. i purposefully got the 2010 13" model in December well knowing that there will be a refresh soon. as i read the rumors i felt a bit depressed, but today i love my MBP even more than i did, even with its old C2D because it suits me just fine [im a student btw]...
I'm Indian and I don't think people have ever asked me if English is my second language but most people assume I was born/raised in India even though I was not. However, when do say that, I don't lash out at them.
I don't see any problem with monokakata's post.
Nothing racist here. At least noting to lash out on. I agree with monokakata's post, even though that doesn't seem to be the case.
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Come on, Cytomatrix and Shyam09 -- read what I wrote.
Race and nationality are where in my posting? Where did I say anything about "proficiency?"
Saying that my ESL students paid careful attention to every word but those raised speaking English didn't -- that's an insult to the ESL students? To me that's praise.
I was born and raised in a multi-lingual, multi-cultural environment. I spent years living among people whose language I learned (from them) as an adult, so I know first-hand exactly what it's like to be the second-language speaker.
All this blew up on a day when I've been translating from their language into English and preserving the flavor of that language in English has been harder than I hoped. So being accused of some kind of linguistic imperialism doesn't go down well. Believe me, I'm about as far from an "English rules!" bigot as you can imagine.
Anyway, this all has nothing to do with the OP. I meant no offense and I don't think he should have taken any, but he (or she -- speaking of assuming, we don't really know, do we?) did, and that's that.
Race and nationality are where in my posting? Where did I say anything about "proficiency?"
Saying that my ESL students paid careful attention to every word but those raised speaking English didn't -- that's an insult to the ESL students? To me that's praise.
I was born and raised in a multi-lingual, multi-cultural environment. I spent years living among people whose language I learned (from them) as an adult, so I know first-hand exactly what it's like to be the second-language speaker.
All this blew up on a day when I've been translating from their language into English and preserving the flavor of that language in English has been harder than I hoped. So being accused of some kind of linguistic imperialism doesn't go down well. Believe me, I'm about as far from an "English rules!" bigot as you can imagine.
Anyway, this all has nothing to do with the OP. I meant no offense and I don't think he should have taken any, but he (or she -- speaking of assuming, we don't really know, do we?) did, and that's that.
"manapple," "3. good night," and being chewed out by a bunch of dudes do not a woman make.
oh no i hope my post didn't come out as something that was against yours.. oopsie
no my comment was rather directed towards this:
i agree with your entire post and trust me--it's not racist at all...but my comment was more of an anecdote-- i was just sharing a personal experience.
and as far as proficient goes, you did say yourself "American marketing-speak..."
but i could've analyzed that differently. oh well
but hey thanks for clarifying.. and once again no offense, did not mean to go against what you were saying. so sorry man
You weren't "cheated"
You read the title, but didn't understand it (amazingly).
OP feels cheated. There's a fairly important difference between feeling cheated, and being cheated.
There is something I don't understand here... Why do you want the new MBP 13" in the first place? Why do you see it as so much better than the one you bought 1 week earlier? They seem both equally good in my opinion.
I get even more curious when you even seem willing to take the hassle of trying to have it changed in a country other than where you live and bought the first one. I'm not sure if everyone here knows this, so I'm writing it for the sake of order: TS is in India, while Jakarta is in Indonesia.
I'm using a mid 2009 15" MacBook Pro. The new models vastly overpower mine. Should I feel "cheated" then? It's not the same as buying just a week before, but technology moves at a fast pace. The fact is that my notebook does everything it did when I bought it. The new models have not made it obsolete in any sense, and it'll continue to do me good for another couple of years, I'm sure.
In your case, what is it that changed when the new MacBooks came out? Your machine was still completely capable -- in fact, your original machine's graphical capability for gaming is better than the one you're trying to replace it with.
Anyway, the lesson here is to do some research beforehand. For anyone in the loop, it was clear that there was going to be a refresh, and most had at least an indication of what the new models' specifications would be like.
Top Tip: Don't buy an iPad now. There's going to be a new one March 2nd.
For the record, I don't mean any offense in my post. I think you're pretty lucky that the reseller is exchanging it, though.
In your case, what is it that changed when the new MacBooks came out? Your machine was still completely capable -- in fact, your original machine's graphical capability for gaming is better than the one you're trying to replace it with.
Anyway, the lesson here is to do some research beforehand. For anyone in the loop, it was clear that there was going to be a refresh, and most had at least an indication of what the new models' specifications would be like.
Top Tip: Don't buy an iPad now. There's going to be a new one March 2nd.
For the record, I don't mean any offense in my post. I think you're pretty lucky that the reseller is exchanging it, though.
Just to confirm - you're saying that to your mind, the newly released macbook pro is equal in specification to the old one? Because that's just wrong. There's really no need for me to get the spec list to confirm.
Regarding hassle; it's not, really. He stated an acquaintance is already going there.
Not equal in specs - I do have the spec list. The newer one has 3 hours less battery life, but it has a slightly better processor (still dual-core) and thunderbolt. Same screen res, still no matte option and same memory. Some kind of upgrade... But of course - they are not equal in terms of specs. It's just that I myself wouldn't prefer one of them over the other. YMMV.
Well if it makes you feel better beside the new ones having Sandy Bridge and Thunderbolt, the specs are nearly identical furthermore the graphics card in the older 13" are far better than the new Intel GMA...
In fact I've ended up ordering a 2010 refurb instead of going with the newest model.
Maybe you should re-read my post carefully. Where did I say I lashed out on them? Being pissed out doesn't mean lashing out on people. Being asked if english is your second language doesn't sound as bad as people assuming your english is horrible even though they have never heard you speak.
When you put it that way it doesn't sound like an insult. But the paragraph didn't end there. You then went on to say that native speakers ignored the mistakes and deduced what you meant. Implying that all ESL students lacked that "skill". It is hard to judge someone based on a few sentences. So I am not going to. I didn't say you were racist. I was just trying to say that, all this could have been avoided if you hadn't posted the first three paragraphs.monokakata said:
He is not the only who made that mistake. Funny how so many people ignored his post and commented on the title. To be fair, I came here to laugh at the OP, for not doing research before buying a mac. LOL.
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Also, Apple sells their old technology at the same price up until the day before they announce an upgraded version. They feel that year + old technology doesn't depreciate over time, which is laughable when it comes to how fast new hardware comes out every month. If people keep buying their old tech, they'll keep selling it, and percentages show people are willing to suffer just to get something with a fruit-themed logo on it. How's that vPhone, verizon users?
The bottom line is, ALWAYS do research when you buy anything. With Apple it's easy. They release the same products roughly at the same time throughout each year. Time your purchases based on that.
I was simply reinforcing the fact that the OP WASN'T cheated, even though they were feeling it.