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Feeling the RAM crunch on iPhone 6/6 Plus devices

Bahroo said:
If I am just using my eyes? the scrolling is still not as smooth and as instantly responsive as it is on newer iOS devices, you can feel and see it, granted its a Nexus 7 from 2013 with a underclocked quad core 1.5 ghz S600 SoC but still

It is smooth dont get me wrong, but iOS still a notch above in that department

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iPad air is most certainly more snappier and offers better responsiveness then the Nexus 7

And data encryption affects it because when the read/write speed cant feed the CPU and even GPU fast enough, switching between apps and things of that nature can stutter and not to mention the Nexus 6 launches games and depending on the app 2-3x slower then other Flagship Android devices (Note 4, M8, S5, G3 , etc)
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sorry you're full of it.
GPU renders off RAM, not NAND memory. Same as the CPU. That's how computers work.

but anyway even assuming nexus 6 is relatively slow - it's definitely not noticeably any slower or any faster compared to the iPhone 6. (first hand experience by the way)
 
teknikal90 said:
sorry you're full of it.
GPU renders off RAM, not NAND memory. Same as the CPU. That's how computers work.

but anyway even assuming nexus 6 is relatively slow - it's definitely not noticeably any slower or any faster compared to the iPhone 6. (first hand experience by the way)
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Im not full of it you just have no understanding on this topic at all, multiple tech websites have already said (including Arstechnica) that due to the slow read/write speeds they have suffered some UI/performance issues and lag

Just like how on my desktop PC with a 7870 GHZ oced, 9GB of RAM and a i7 960 when I play World of Warcraft (these specs are beyond powerful for a game like WoW) when I am going to different zones , there is some stutter and lag due to me not having a SSD and using a HDD (slow read/write speed cant fill in game world fast enough so there is some stutter/lag)

Not to mention the performance issues alot of people have suffered with the Nexus line devices when upgrading to Lollipop

Just because you have no understanding on this topic doesnt devalidate or somehow make it wrong when it is the truth

And I have played with both a Nexus 6 and 6 Plus together side by side and the disk encryption on the Nexus 6 is poor, the phone takes over 40 seconds to boot up and launched big applications and games 2-3x slower then the Plus

Slow read/write performance can easily affect system performance as a whole, what planet do you live on and what drugs are you taking?
 
Really, arguing strongly for either side besting the other in the latest hardware is a fanboy debate, no? It is splitting hairs at this point. An objective view would see they both match up quite similarly. It is impossible to say one is "faster" or "better". Too many variances.
 
jpeg42 said:
Really, arguing strongly for either side besting the other in the latest hardware is a fanboy debate, no? It is splitting hairs at this point. An objective view would see they both match up quite similarly. It is impossible to say one is "faster" or "better". Too many variances.
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exactly.
 
cbreze said:
I just tried this page on my 6+ and it didn't crash safari. It is a rather data heavy page tho , but scrolling smoothly thru is not a problem. If I go fast it can't load fast enough, but don't go fast, just smooth and steady and it's fine, no crashes.
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I know that just scrolling through it is fine if you do it slowly. However, if you actually watch the videos one at a time (which is the point of the page), Safari will crash.
 
Camoxide said:
It's soldered on the 21 inch iMac

The only macs you can upgrade the ram on are the 27 inch iMac and the Mac Pro
(also the non retina 13 inch Pro).
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It's not soldered in the quad core 21.5" iMacs, but it's really hard to upgrade the RAM (you've to pry the entire screen apart).

In the dual core 21.5" iMac (I call it the iMac Air, because it uses the same logic board as the baseline MacBook Air, save for the 8GB of RAM and HDD), it's soldered.
 
jpeg42 said:
Really, arguing strongly for either side besting the other in the latest hardware is a fanboy debate, no? It is splitting hairs at this point. An objective view would see they both match up quite similarly. It is impossible to say one is "faster" or "better". Too many variances.
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While I do agree this is gearing towards the fanboy debate, the new Nexus tablet does seem to have a lot of issues least from reports from TheVerge, Arstechnica, and Anandtech. AndroidPolice also mentions the issues persisted after an update to fix them.
 
Tsuchiya said:
I notice. It bothers me a little.

Genuinely curious why Apple just didn't up the RAM, but then a lot of the decisions made regarding the 6/6+ baffle me.
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Good Question and also why is 16GB Base models still around, for sure I thought they would do 32-64-128 16GB is hardly enough for anyone, and I even see Older folks getting frustrated because they take a lot of photos of their grand kids, but I guess you get what you pay for, as for me, 32GB is bottom line, prefer 128 but not at that price, so 64Gb will do
 
Bahroo said:
That test is really not conclusive in anyway, a 5-6 second difference is nothing at all and i bet if you ran the test again youd get different scores and different variability
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it shows multitasking capabilities and processor performance, much better than benchmarks like geekbench, for real life comparisons. iphone have already won this test several times, this particular, show the need for more ram, even having done pretty well for only 1 GB, with 2 GB it would crush the other devices, being able to have all the apps opened and ready in the background. you can see that in the first part of the test the iphone won, but in the second it had to reopen some app, you can clearly see it struggling to reopen smash hit and photoshop touch, because it had to clean memory to reopen them (it took to the iphone more than 1 second between the photoshop touch icon was touched and it start to show the opening animation).
the only difference you would get if you ran the test again is because of stuff on cache and on memory that haven't already being cleaned after closing the apps, like "inactive" memory on iOS.
 
Eduardo Forneck said:
it shows multitasking capabilities and processor performance, much better than benchmarks like geekbench, for real life comparisons. iphone have already won this test several times, this particular, show the need for more ram, even having done pretty well for only 1 GB, with 2 GB it would crush the other devices, being able to have all the apps opened and ready in the background. you can see that in the first part of the test the iphone won, but in the second it had to reopen some app, you can clearly see it struggling to reopen smash hit and photoshop touch, because it had to clean memory to reopen them (it took to the iphone more than 1 second between the photoshop touch icon was touched and it start to show the opening animation).
the only difference you would get if you ran the test again is because of stuff on cache and on memory that haven't already being cleaned after closing the apps, like "inactive" memory on iOS.
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You do realize Photoshop touch is still not updated yet for the new iPhones and optimize it for the Apple A8? note 4 had to reload app too.

Apple imposed a 64 bit requirement for all apps and app updates after February 2015, after that all new apps/apps submitted need to have 64 bit support , which will give a ton of apps a 30-40% speed increase easily
 
Bahroo said:
You do realize Photoshop touch is still not updated yet for the new iPhones and optimize it for the Apple A8? note 4 had to reload app too.

Apple imposed a 64 bit requirement for all apps and app updates after February 2015, after that all new apps/apps submitted need to have 64 bit support , which will give a ton of apps a 30-40% speed increase easily
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What does this have to do with speed? He was talking about the reloading.
 
vgamedude said:
What does this have to do with speed? He was talking about the reloading.
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Lol are you serious,? It has everything to do with it, im talking about a unoptimized app for the new iPhones and the new chips, a optimized app performs better in everyway (optimized apps dont reload no where near as much) due to performance enhancements and stability fixes and less memory usage etc etc
 
Bahroo said:
Lol are you serious,? It has everything to do with it, im talking about a unoptimized app for the new iPhones and the new chips, a optimized app performs better in everyway (optimized apps dont reload no where near as much) due to performance enhancements and stability fixes and less memory usage etc etc
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Okay but 64 bit uses more memory in most cases, unless I'm completely wrong about that, I know the operating systems do but I'm pretty sure applications do as well.

Furthermore I'm sure many apps they tested are already 64 bit considering the iphone has been 64 bit since the 5s. Pretty sure with the requirement coming fairly soon and for the iphone being 64 bit for over a year that many already were.

Look the iphone is a solid performer but it's ram usage is just pathetic, it really should have had more.
 
vgamedude said:
Okay but 64 bit uses more memory in most cases, unless I'm completely wrong about that, I know the operating systems do but I'm pretty sure applications do as well.

Furthermore I'm sure many apps they tested are already 64 bit considering the iphone has been 64 bit since the 5s. Pretty sure with the requirement coming fairly soon and for the iphone being 64 bit for over a year that many already were.

Look the iphone is a solid performer but it's ram usage is just pathetic, it really should have had more.
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Pathetic yet it reloaded apps just as equal as the Note 4 and Nexus 6 with 3 GB of RAM right? Lol.....

And no alot of apps from the iOS app store are not actually 64 bit, the main applications that come with the device obviously is 64 bit but alot of iOS app store applications are not 64 bit yet
 
Bahroo said:
Just like how on my desktop PC with a 7870 GHZ oced, 9GB of RAM and a i7 960 when I play World of Warcraft (these specs are beyond powerful for a game like WoW) when I am going to different zones , there is some stutter and lag due to me not having a SSD and using a HDD (slow read/write speed cant fill in game world fast enough so there is some stutter/lag)
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Not to go off topic, but the way zones should be loading in WoW is well before your character even gets to them. In other words, they aren't really loaded sepparately (except where you actually literally zone and get to a loading screen). That is one of the very unique things about that MMO that most others don't, for whatever reason, incorporate.

This isn;t to say you aren't experiencing issues, but it might not have anything to do with you having a HDD.
 
Bahroo said:
Pathetic yet it reloaded apps just as equal as the Note 4 and Nexus 6 with 3 GB of RAM right? Lol.....

And no alot of apps from the iOS app store are not actually 64 bit, the main applications that come with the device obviously is 64 bit but alot of iOS app store applications are not 64 bit yet
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I have to watch again for the note 4 but It reloaded way more than the nexus 6.
 
Wicked1 said:
Good Question and also why is 16GB Base models still around, for sure I thought they would do 32-64-128 16GB is hardly enough for anyone, and I even see Older folks getting frustrated because they take a lot of photos of their grand kids, but I guess you get what you pay for, as for me, 32GB is bottom line, prefer 128 but not at that price, so 64Gb will do
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It's just so hard to justify.

16GB is minuscule when you consider:

1) Most people keep their phones longer than a year, and thus will accumulate apps, pictures, videos etc.

2) It is difficult to clear app data, which is annoying when users can build up gigabytes of email attachments, whatsapp data etc.

3) In a "post-PC" world where a surprisingly large number of people do not use a home computer in favour of portable devices, asking for over 5GB of free space on a 16GB phone (considering the above) just to install an update is ridiculous.

The Apple of today exists to appease its shareholders and relies heavily on the trust capital its built up with consumers since 2001.
 
sunking101 said:
This reloading issue has been happening for two or three years now and is only getting worse with each new version of iOS. One would assume that if it's software then Apple aren't going to fix it!
As for the RAM, do you know of any notebook, laptop, tablet or mobile phone that has 1GB of RAM in late 2014 other than an Apple product? Is 1GB of RAM acceptable in the premium, most expensive product of its type in the marketplace? Regardless of whether RAM is causing the reloads, which is highly likely, is 1GB of RAM acceptable anyway? The device feels hindered and somewhat crippled on release day, so how do you feel about spending so much money on a device with such little built in longevity? The iPhone 6 and 6+ have the same amount of RAM as the iPhone 5 and iPhone 5S for goodness sake.
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I still see no evidence suggesting that the RAM is the culprit. I would like to see analysis showing the RAM is the only reason why the software behaves the way its been reported.

How do we know that RAM is utilized in iOS and apps such that 8GB of RAM is not necessary? I am not a software or hardware engineer, but I haven't seen evidence that proves that RAM is causing software problems.
What is evidently pointing us that we need to double the RAM and not go up an order of magnitude, lets say 16GB and not stop at 2GB or 3GB.
 
Bahroo said:
Lol are you serious,? It has everything to do with it, im talking about a unoptimized app for the new iPhones and the new chips, a optimized app performs better in everyway (optimized apps dont reload no where near as much) due to performance enhancements and stability fixes and less memory usage etc etc
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You really don't know what you are talking about...
 
benfica88 said:
You really don't know what you are talking about...
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I actually know exactly what I am talking about, it is clear as day and anyone with even a little understanding and foundation of how software/hardware works would completly entirely agree with me, just because you have no understanding on this topic doesnt make it untrue when its a staple fact and truth in the industry for many years now in the computer/software industry :rolleyes:
 
Bahroo said:
I actually know exactly what I am talking about, it is clear as day and anyone with even a little understanding and foundation of how software/hardware works would completly entirely agree with me, just because you have no understanding on this topic doesnt make it untrue when its a staple fact and truth in the industry for many years now in the computer/software industry :rolleyes:
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Wow way to go completely arrogant on us. Doesn't surprise me after all of your posts I see on the alternatives board.
 
vgamedude said:
Wow way to go completely arrogant on us. Doesn't surprise me after all of your posts I see on the alternatives board.
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it isnt arrogance, your just questioning my intelligence and also a very simple stapled fact in the industry, like how can you possibly tell someone they dont know what they are talking about when in reality what I said is really computers and software basic 101 stuff? You cant tell someone they dont know what they are talking about and then just leave it at that with no facts to bring to the table or any dispute, it just makes you look dumb

and actually majority of my posts are in the iPhone/iOS sections, i barely rarely post in the alternatives section
 
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