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That's all great, but reselling phones you legitimately buy on contract isn't scalping. And you only make that much money if you want to keep the contracts. If you have to cancel them, subtract the cancellation fees and that's not even close to $600/hr any more. I've pulled that game myself a few times (not for an iPhone though) when I've needed a new contract or a renewal. That's a nice quick buck, but it's not scalping.

I think you're being wildly optimistic to think your margin on a $300 iPad is going to be 63%. The margin on an iPhone 5, even selling at $1100, is 55%, and only because it's a high-end device. The scalping margin people will tolerate goes down with the retail price, not up. (exceptions for the large number of idiots in the world, of course...)

No sweat if it doesn't sell (which looks like it wont not as ebay is flooded with them) I'll take it back and not lose a dime. Maybe I'll keep it and give it as a present... who knows. As far as the semantics of what is and isn't scalping don't care what it's called. I bought a phone for X, sold if for Y and I come out on top by several hundred. No matter what you call it I think that's pretty cool.
 
...and people wonder why Apple's prices are so high.

Like most retailers, once a product leaves the store, it isn't resold. It will go back to a refurbishing facility and used as a warranty replacement or sold on the refurb site. When thousands of people do this, it results in millions of dollars in losses.

Few other companies have to deal with this attitude of "I'll buy a bunch of 'em and if I can't make some easy money I'll return 'em".

Why are you entitled to take money from someone else's pocket? Why should Apple shoulder the financial burden of your risk? Why should we, as customers have to shoulder it--those costs get passed on to us in the form of high prices. Why should a consumer have to wait to buy a product they desire just so you can make a quick buck?

It's one thing to be a parasite, it's another thing entirely to admit it openly. If you want money, earn it.

What's going to end up happening is Apple requiring a restocking fee for anything that gets returned. Maybe that's the right answer. If Apple can meet the majority of demand (as they have for the last couple of launches) and requires a restocking fee, that would put a complete stop to scalping. The risk would be much too high.

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As far as the semantics of what is and isn't scalping don't care what it's called.

Words matter. :)
 
Here's what I don't understand.

That's not worth doing just for one or two. In volume is the only way it makes sense. But anyone with the means to buy the volume required to make it worthwhile likely wouldn't see the profit as consequential. The $1000 or $2000 one would get from doing this once (maybe twice) a year doesn't mean much to someone who makes enough to have the $5000 sitting around on a credit card to lay out.

So what's the point? If you're poor you can't afford to do this properly, and if you're rich, you won't make enough to make it worth your while.

I hope this doesnt come off as some kind of brag as I am far from rich, but I have well into 6 figures of unused credit across numerous credit card issuers. This isnt exactly difficult to obtain for someone who is financially responsible. Though maybe it is easier for someone who does think it is worth his time to pick up an easy "$1000 or $2000" a few times a year.

Having 5 or 10 grand locked up in easily fungible goods is perfectly doable if I can turn them around for a profit before the bills come due.
 
Woot. Bought a black and white, first to sell out was going on the bay. White sold out first so it went up for $600 BIN or best offer. IF I get $600 for it that will put a huge dent in the cost of the second one after fees and shipping so I'm pleased. Got my 2 i5's for free (not to mention the money I'll get when I sell one/both when the 5s comes out) if I can get my iPM for almost free I'll be happy. If it doesn't sell for asking price I'll simply return it without losing a dime.

I don't use Ebay much, so apologies in advance. How do you as a seller not get burned? I've heard the stories of people getting the device, then claiming the box just contained a brick or something, and Ebay/Paypal refunded as they side with the buyer. Buyer ends up with the cash and the device.

How do you protect yourself?
 
I don't use Ebay much, so apologies in advance. How do you as a seller not get burned? I've heard the stories of people getting the device, then claiming the box just contained a brick or something, and Ebay/Paypal refunded as they side with the buyer. Buyer ends up with the cash and the device.

How do you protect yourself?

Video!
Take one of the device from all sides including functioning. Sound, video, wifi ect. I know it sounds like a PITA but take a video AT the post, video yourself boxing, packaging and actually putting the package in the box/giving it to the mail person. Copy down all info like IMEI and SN. Ship insured for at least purchase price with delivery confirmation and ONLY to their pay pal verified address. Also like I suggested in another post, don't tell them about the videos that way if they try and scam you you can slam dunk them!

Taking the time to ensure you cover your own butt will save you a headache in the end. I also don't have to wait to remove money from my account because of my paypal status so that is another big help. No chance of them taking money out of the account if there is an issues because if I think there is going to be one the money comes out ASAP.
 
I hope this doesnt come off as some kind of brag as I am far from rich, but I have well into 6 figures of unused credit across numerous credit card issuers. This isnt exactly difficult to obtain for someone who is financially responsible. Though maybe it is easier for someone who does think it is worth his time to pick up an easy "$1000 or $2000" a few times a year.

Well, rich in the context of THIS discussion really just means someone with the means to make something like this happen, not necessarily "cash rich."

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I don't use Ebay much, so apologies in advance. How do you as a seller not get burned? I've heard the stories of people getting the device, then claiming the box just contained a brick or something, and Ebay/Paypal refunded as they side with the buyer. Buyer ends up with the cash and the device.

How do you protect yourself?

Easy way to fix that is not to use Paypal or whatever, and require cash up front. That used to be possible, though I haven't used ebay in many years, so I don't know whether their policies now require specific types of payments. In the "olden days," most sellers required delivery of a money order or certified cheque (or clearance on a non-certified cheque) before they'd ship an item.

I think the risk is all on the buyer's side in these types of cases though. Committing to buying something that the seller doesn't even have in his possession is incredibly risky.

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Do you guys predict an iPad Mini shortage though? I heard there may be one due to the LCD supplies...

I'd say no, assuming either that the problems at plants in China are dealt with, or production is done in Brazil (I think that was a rumour a while ago). Apple has been getting much closer to meeting demand at launch over the last few product releases.

If there were a shortage of LCD components, there'd be shortages of every laptop, tablet, monitor and phone on the market, since these things are all built by the same 3 or 4 companies. There obviously is not, so that's just nonsense.
 
Shouldn't this thread be locked? Surely MacRumors doesn't support this kind of behavior?
 
Apple should have a scalper policy, first 2 returns per month are free, next five, 10% restocking, 20% for everything thereafter.

These "people" make it far more difficult for every normal buyer to get the item they want.
 
Easy way to fix that is not to use Paypal or whatever, and require cash up front. That used to be possible, though I haven't used ebay in many years, so I don't know whether their policies now require specific types of payments. In the "olden days," most sellers required delivery of a money order or certified cheque (or clearance on a non-certified cheque) before they'd ship an item.

I think the risk is all on the buyer's side in these types of cases though. Committing to buying something that the seller doesn't even have in his possession is incredibly risky.

ye that changed a while ago. now only acceptable form of payment is paypal
 
Ya they learned their lesson, right after they returned the ipads they lost no money on and deposited the money on the ones they did sell.

That will show em

Until Apple really turns the screw and starts a 25% restocking fee. On that day, I'll sit there laughing as I watch as their eyes bulge and buttocks clench...

Let's make it better. 25% restocking fee for the first two iPads returned during a single visit. Raises to 50% starting with the the 3rd iPad...
 
ye that changed a while ago. now only acceptable form of payment is paypal

Gross.

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Until Apple really turns the screw and starts a 25% restocking fee. On that day, I'll sit there laughing as I watch as their eyes bulge and buttocks clench...

Let's make it better. 25% restocking fee for the first two iPads returned during a single visit. Raises to 50% starting with the the 3rd iPad...

That... would be awesome.
 
to the OP: don't dream. Apple just sped up the refresh cycle of iPad, which has significantly lowered the perceived value of it. Tell me, do you want to line up to buy the iPad 4 at the first minute? Do you think about waiting for 6 more months to get the redesigned iPad 5th gen?

The rush to get the new new iPad will not be the same as any model before it. The iPad hasn't been a good thing for scalping, unlike the iPhone due to less demand.

Why would your assume that the iPad cycle is still next spring? It's actually much smarter to have it in the fall then buyers get them for the holidays rather than hold out for the April release day.
 
OP - you are not going to succeed in your Whole life. I'm very sad reading your thread....
 
Anyone have success posting 11/2 preorders on eBay? Final sale for 16GB, 32GB, & 64GB? Just curious if demand is really out there.
 
i'm getting an iPad mini, but since Tim took over there just hasn't been the same hype around product launches or shortages
 
Why would your assume that the iPad cycle is still next spring? It's actually much smarter to have it in the fall then buyers get them for the holidays rather than hold out for the April release day.

That same argument could then be used for while doesn't Apple have all of their cycles in the fall; iPad, iPhone, iMac, MBP, MP....etc. Well part of it comes down to logistics and developmental plan.

Also to some degree the masses are idiots and will buy an iPad/iPod/MBP/iMac around the holidays even if the new update is only a few months away. Those that follow product updates on MR make up a very small percentage of the consumer base.
 
How did you calculate that 20% rate?

1) Click "32 bids"
2) Click the winner "i***m"
3) Under "30-Day Summary" it says "Bid activity (%) with this seller: 20%"

That seems pretty high. In the last 30 days, one out of every five bids this person has made has been with this seller.

Since ebay buyers use past "Completed" listings to decide how much something is worth, it is in the best interest of a seller to make sure the first couple of Minis are sold at a very high amount.
 
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