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It is a direct copy of the Netherland game. Argentina go 2-0 up. The Dutch came back to get it to 2-2 then they lose it on penalties. As the game was progressing to the later stages I said to myself 'this is the same as the Dutch game, Argentina are going to win this' and lo and behold Argentina did just that. A very cruel way to lose a final BUT you must do more in 120mins if you want to avoid penalties.

I know the French team will not use it to make excuses but I wonder how many of them was playing with the illness that was sweeping through the team. I think at last count 2 days before the game is was 8.

The sporting media have got what they wanted, Messi winning the world cup which will start an avalanche of articles about the man, his life, his playing career, and most importantly to the sporting media, if he is now the best footballer the world has ever seen, surpassing the likes of Pele and Maradona.
 
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It's probably the best Final since 1986. Then West Germany pulled it back to 2-2 after being 2-0 down similar to today. But the 1986 WC was won by a better player than Messi who wasn't even the best player on the park today.
 
Argentina win ugly - and worse, they choose to win ugly - and that is why I dislike them, notwithstanding their undoubted wealth of footballing talent.
I once asked about this to one of them once. I was told it's in their DNA from an early age. When you look back through history some of the most brutal games have involved club teams from Argentina.
 
Just want to say how great France played these past several years
I remember the Anelka 2010 years and they should hold their heads up high
Mbappe scored one of the best World Cup goals I ever seen!
 
At around 70', I turned to my wife and said this was the worst World Cup final I'd ever seen. I was seriously considering turning off the TV and getting on with my day when France won the first penalty. From there it was quite a rollercoaster ride! This was the best World Cup final I ever saw, and one of the best football matches, period. Much respect to both teams, especially to Messi and Mbappé who were both incredible.
 
Some of the French players had a shockingly bad day at first. Griezmann in the first half was non-existent, the linkup play between defense and midfield was awful. Things improved after Deschamps started making substitutes, Kingsley Coman was good, Thuram was good. But that first half cost them the World Cup. If the French had played from the beginning with the passion they showed at the end the score might have ended 2-1 in their favour.
 
Some of the French players had a shockingly bad day at first. Griezmann in the first half was non-existent, the linkup play between defense and midfield was awful. Things improved after Deschamps started making substitutes, Kingsley Coman was good, Thuram was good. But that first half cost them the World Cup. If the French had played from the beginning with the passion they showed at the end the score might have ended 2-1 in their favour.

Mbappe was absent for the first 70 mins too and ended up being the best player on the field after that. Amazing how the game turned and a pity it couldn’t be decided on the pitch fairly rather than penalties.
 
Some of the French players had a shockingly bad day at first. Griezmann in the first half was non-existent, the linkup play between defense and midfield was awful. Things improved after Deschamps started making substitutes, Kingsley Coman was good, Thuram was good. But that first half cost them the World Cup. If the French had played from the beginning with the passion they showed at the end the score might have ended 2-1 in their favour.
It took the whole first half until those substitutions for the France coach to get to grips with Argentina's tactics. By then they were 2-0 down. This game wasn't about passion but being outthought by your opposition coach.
 
In a tongue in cheek way Englands fan can sing 'It's coming home', because they are bringing a trophy home, the Fair Play trophy lol
 
An interesting take on Argentina's extra time goal, saying it should have been disallowed due to Argentina substitutes encroaching onto the pitch ready to celebrate the goal BEFORE the goal was scored. This is the rule that's being quoted:

Law 3, paragraph 9 of the Fifa Laws of Football states: “If, after a goal is scored, the referee becomes aware before play resumes that an additional person was on the pitch at the time the goal was scored: the referee must disallow the goal if the extra person was: a player, substitute, substituted player, sent off player or official of the team who scored the goal.

source: https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/why-lionel-messi-world-cup-124025222.html

Question is, was the referee made aware of this rule breach and ignored it or did the referee just not know about the Argentina substitutes encroaching onto the pitch BEFORE the goal was scored?. The 4th referee (the one who holds up the extra time board) would have been well placed to have noticed if the Argentina substitutes had encroached onto the pitch before the goal was scored thereby falling foul of Law 3.

What do you lot think? A case of France supporters being sore losers?
 
An interesting take on Argentina's extra time goal, saying it should have been disallowed due to Argentina substitutes encroaching onto the pitch ready to celebrate the goal BEFORE the goal was scored. This is the rule that's being quoted:



source: https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/why-lionel-messi-world-cup-124025222.html

Question is, was the referee made aware of this rule breach and ignored it or did the referee just not know about the Argentina substitutes encroaching onto the pitch BEFORE the goal was scored?. The 4th referee (the one who holds up the extra time board) would have been well placed to have noticed if the Argentina substitutes had encroached onto the pitch before the goal was scored thereby falling foul of Law 3.

What do you lot think? A case of France supporters being sore losers?
The game is done. What do they want? History to be rewritten? Time to move on. I doubt it is a view many will share.
It’s not like people on the pitch has happened before in a WC Final.
 
The game is done. What do they want? History to be rewritten? Time to move on. I doubt it is a view many will share.
It’s not like people on the pitch has happened before in a WC Final.
Maybe that is why the rule was brought in, to stop things like what we see in that video from happening.
 
An interesting take on Argentina's extra time goal, saying it should have been disallowed due to Argentina substitutes encroaching onto the pitch ready to celebrate the goal BEFORE the goal was scored. This is the rule that's being quoted:



source: https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/why-lionel-messi-world-cup-124025222.html

Question is, was the referee made aware of this rule breach and ignored it or did the referee just not know about the Argentina substitutes encroaching onto the pitch BEFORE the goal was scored?. The 4th referee (the one who holds up the extra time board) would have been well placed to have noticed if the Argentina substitutes had encroached onto the pitch before the goal was scored thereby falling foul of Law 3.

What do you lot think? A case of France supporters being sore losers?
France should have put away their penalties but failed to do so.

Had they done so, this sort of argument would have been moot.

Anyway, while I would have liked to have seen a French victory, I'm in agreement with @Apple fanboy, below, when he writes that the game is over and done and that it is now time - high time - to move on.


The game is done. What do they want? History to be rewritten? Time to move on. I doubt it is a view many will share.
It’s not like people on the pitch has happened before in a WC Final.
Exactly and well said.
 
And the best keeper. Doesn’t he play for the Villa?

He’ll be on fire for the rest of the season.
I didn't much care for his gamesmanship during the penalties, - in fact, I didn't care for it at all - but, in truth, he is an excellent keeper, and I still regret - as I have written (and said) both here and elsewhere - that Arsenal sold him, or seem to have felt obliged to sell him.
 
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I didn't much care for his gamesmanship during the penalties, - in fact, I didn't care for it at all - but, in truth, he is an excellent keeper, and I still regret - as I have written (and said) both here and elsewhere - that Arsenal sold him, or seem to have felt obliged to sell him.
I've never liked 'gamemanship' behaviour from goalkeepers when it comes to penalties because it is basically the goalkeeper saying I want my distracting behaviour to get the player to miss the penalty rather than my skill as a goalkeeper in trying to save it.
 
I've never liked 'gamemanship' behaviour from goalkeepers when it comes to penalties because it is basically the goalkeeper saying I want my distracting behaviour to get the player to miss the penalty rather than my skill as a goalkeeper in trying to save it.

Agree completely; he is an outstanding goal-keeper and did not need to indulge in that sort of thuggish gamesmanship on such an occasion.
 
lol, Argentina goalkeeper has a good world cup and now his agent is looking at getting him transferred away from Aston Villa to possibly a Serie A club. Having a few good performances in a World Cup does not make him an outstanding goalkeeper because look at his performances at both Arsenal and Aston Villa, certainly not world class performing, because lets face it, if he was an already exceptional goalkeeper he would have already been snapped up by one of the top teams in one of the top leagues in Europe . delusions of grandeur me thinks

 
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lol, Argentina goalkeeper has a good world cup and now his agent is looking at getting him transferred away from Aston Villa to possibly a Serie A club. Having a few good performances in a World Cup does not make him an outstanding goalkeeper because look at his performances at both Arsenal and Aston Villa, certainly not world class performing, because lets face it, if he was an already exceptional goalkeeper he would have already been snapped up by one of the top teams in one of the top leagues in Europe . delusions of grandeur me thinks


Actually, I beg to differ and feel that, in fairness, I must point out that his spell between the sticks at Arsenal coincided with a (rare) period of excellence for the club, during which time they won the FA Cup.

Leno (the then No 1 keeper) had been injured and Martínez had replaced him and had performed superbly during the time he was the main keeper for Arsenal.

Unfortunately, Arsenal subsequently refused to confirm him as the No 1 keeper when Leno returned from injury (a mistake, in my view, for Martínez was demonstrably the better keeper), and, inevitably, bidders came calling, and the club sold him (an action I still regret - I don't like his histrionics, but he is an excellent keeper) because it needed money and - at the time - was finding it difficult to offload so much legacy deadwood.
 
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