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Ref has actually had a decent game to be fair. All his calls have been mostly, technically correct.

I feel CR7 has been deep in prayer today to ensure Messi doesn't win
 
Ah man, that’s a rubbish way to lose. Well done France, you got yourselves back in that and it wasn’t meant to be. I’m not watching Messi lift it.

In fairness, each of Messi and Mbappe - respectively - showed their genuine class at this level by delivering an excellent performance - under pressure - in a World Cup Final.

I honestly do not believe that CR7 would have been capable of that.

Now, as for penalties: I have written this before, (and said it endlessly, to anyone who will listen to me on the subject), but I really cannot understand how teams do not practice the taking of penalties in pressurised environments when they are stressed and exhausted.

Well, France made it a genuine contest, only to lose at the end, and I am truly sorry that they were defeated.

And, as for Argentina: Yes, they won. They have the trophy, and collected five yellow cards during the course of the game. Not that they will care; despite their genuine and undoubted footballing gifts, they have an unpleasant habit of winning ugly.
 
What a game. Really enjoyed it. Imagine scoring a hat trick in the World Cup final and losing. But in the end I kind of wanted the Argentinians to win it for Messi. It's his last chance to win it.

Penalties is never a great way to lose, and lets be honest even the ones that were scored were pretty average. Matiniz did exactly what he always does and got in the head of those French guys.
 
In fairness, each of Messi and Mbappe - respectively - showed their genuine class at this level by delivering an excellent performance - under pressure - in a World Cup Final.

I honestly do not believe that CR7 would have been capable of that.

Now, as for penalties: I have written this before, (and said it endlessly, to anyone who will listen to me on the subject), but I really cannot understand how teams do not practice the taking of penalties in pressurised environments when they are stressed and exhausted.

Well, France made it a genuine contest, only to lose at the end, and I am truly sorry that they were defeated.

And, as for Argentina: Yes, they won. They have the trophy, and collected five yellow cards during the course of the game. Not that they will care; despite their genuine and undoubted footballing gifts, they have an unpleasant habit of winning ugly.
Pretty sure they practise. Its just impossible to replicate the pressure of a WC final I think.
 
Pretty sure they practise. Its just impossible to replicate the pressure of a WC final I think.

I suspect that they could have practiced - and attempted to replicate conditions of stress, exhaustion, and the experience of feeling that you have legs of lead - a bit more.

Well, the contrast with the way England used to shrug and stumble and inevitably fail when a game went to penalties, citing fate and fatigue - as Southgate (the player) well knew to his personal cost - and how Southgate himself as manager addressed that by having his teams practice taking penalties - and having his teams role-playing this regularly, including that long and lonely walk from the centre circle - at the end of training sessions, when they were tired, was - to my mind - amply proven by how (well) his teams have (since) fared when matches went to penalties.

The attitude that this is all in the hands of fate is far too common, even at elite level in football - and penalties - unlike the rest of a game - are a test of individual character (how do you - as an individual - cope with this stress, the long and lonely walk from the half way line, the focus, - do you have an actual plan of where you plan to place that ball, have you studied how that goalkeeper responds, which way he favours when he dives - if any - etc).

Having said that, France did very well to come back twice, and, to my mind, Mbappe has shown his genuine class and talent and worth. (As has Messi, unfortunately).
 
The Argentinian goalkeeper showboating and showing poor gamesmanship during the penalties (he did get a yellow card) is sadly quickly glossed over now. Amazing performance from Mbappe once he’d woken up. Mental he scored a hat trick in a World Cup final at 23 and narrowly missed out on winning his second. I’d imagine that match ball will be donated to charity, not something that will go in his trophy room lol.
 
I suspect that they could have practiced - and attempted to replicate conditions of stress, exhaustion, and the experience of feeling that you have legs of lead - a bit more.

Well, the contrast with the way England used to shrug and stumble and inevitably fail when a game went to penalties, citing fate and fatigue - as Southgate (the player) well knew to his personal cost - and how Southgate himself as manager addressed that by having his teams practice taking penalties - and having his teams role-playing this regularly, including that long and lonely walk from the centre circle - at the end of training sessions, when they were tired, was - to my mind - amply proven by how (well) his teams have (since) fared when matches went to penalties.

The attitude that this is all in the hands of fate is far too common, even at elite level in football - and penalties - unlike the rest of a game - are a test of individual character (how do you - as an individual - cope with this stress, the long and lonely walk from the half way line, the focus, - do you have an actual plan of where you plan to place that ball, have you studied how that goalkeeper responds, which way he favours when he dives - if any - etc).

Having said that, France did very well to come back twice, and, to my mind, Mbappe has shown his genuine class and talent and worth. (As has Messi, unfortunately).
Mbappe gets the golden boot, already has 1 WC and I suspect might get another before he retires.
 
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A classic World Cup final, and mostly if not quite always a great game. I have mixed feelings about the result, on the one hand I do not like to see Argentina rewarded for their unsportsmanlike approach to the game, on the other hand Messi deserves to go out with a World Cup win. Mbappé I am sure will be back.
 
The Argentinian goalkeeper showboating and showing poor gamesmanship during the penalties (he did get a yellow card) is sadly quickly glossed over now. Amazing performance from Mbappe once he’d woken up. Mental he scored a hat trick in a World Cup final at 23 and narrowly missed out on winning his second. I’d imagine that match ball will be donated to charity, not something that will go in his trophy room lol.

Argentina win ugly - and worse, they choose to win ugly - and that is why I dislike them, notwithstanding their undoubted wealth of footballing talent.
 
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About this World Cup in general I have to say it’s a bit sad that so many nations seem to have become quite utilitarian in their football. It used to be that the World Cup was a real contrast of styles, now everyone seems to have come together and play football in a certain way. I liked the quick passing of the Japanese, and the robustness of the Germans, but a lot of the others were kinda similar.
 
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