Final Cut Pro 5 at NAB?

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ThinkSecret reports that Final Cut Pro 5 will be debuted at the National Association of Broadcasters conference in mid April.

According to the rumor site, the new version of Final Cut Pro will require Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) -- meaning that the new software's retail release may lag a couple of months while waiting for the consumer release of Mac OS X 10.4.

Mac OS X 10.4 is said to be released in the "1st half of 2005". Unconfirmed whispers have hinted at possible dates... but no reliable. information is yet available.
 

nuckinfutz

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Well it's going to be nice to see what Core Image/Video and improved Audio can do. I'm sure HDV will be well supported as well as Panasonics Codecs as well.

I'm looking forward to the many "little" things that will be improved. Final Cut Pro in it's 5th major version is finally maturing into a very fine app. Kudos to Apple for their hard work and diligence.
 

golfstud

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FCP 5 and Tiger will rock

FCP 5 will rock. But Quicktime 7 is the engine that runs it all! The new CODEC is going to just be a KILLER. Look for FCP and AUTOMATOR in TIGER to work together to increase workflow. Imagine setting up an AUTOMATOR task to export your sequence to three, five, seven different sizes and if needed CODECS...you come back and you have all the versions of your masterpiece ready to go to broadcast, web, cd, etc. TIME to PONY up for a new G5 DUALIE 3.0!
 

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Requiring Tiger?

Now I know that anybody who is using final cut pro is usually going to be pretty much on the cutting edge but how good of an idea is it to actually require users to spend another 130 on some other product just to use the 1000 program they just paid for. Doesn't sound like that great of buisness sense to me but whatever I guess they have to shut people with old technology out, o wait panther has only been out a year well thats nice of them. Honestly though this must have something to do with Core Image
 

Littleodie914

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w00t!!

Wahoo, awesome! I think this points to a much earlier release date than previously predicted! No way would Apple release a product requiring an OS that hasn't even been released yet :rolleyes:
 

Kelson

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Re: Requiring Tiger?

Ummm...let's go for just the obvious....

FCP 5.0 uses CoreImage, CoreVideo and Quicktime 7.0? These are in Tiger....hence Tiger is needed.


- Kelson
 

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SurfAddict said:
Now I know that anybody who is using final cut pro is usually going to be pretty much on the cutting edge but how good of an idea is it to actually require users to spend another 130 on some other product just to use the 1000 program they just paid for. Doesn't sound like that great of buisness sense to me but whatever I guess they have to shut people with old technology out, o wait panther has only been out a year well thats nice of them. Honestly though this must have something to do with Core Image
Well if you read the article it said that it requires OS X.4 (Tiger) because its all based around Core Video, and QuickTime 7, all which are going to be introduced with OS X.4 (Tiger), and isn't avaliable on OS X.3 (Panther). So if you base something off new technology then obviously you'll need that new technology. It makes perfect sense to me. Honestly, if you're in this business, you're prepared to stay up to date with the latest and greatest. And its not going to cost everyone $1,000, as the upgrade is MUCH cheaper.
 

nuckinfutz

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Doesn't sound like that great of buisness sense to me but whatever I guess they have to shut people with old technology out, o wait panther has only been out a year well thats nice of them. Honestly though this must have something to do with Core Image
Ummm yeah. Tiger is the culmination of almost 3 years of programming work. In addition to Core Image/Video you have Spotlight technology, built in native Xgrid and many enhancements to Quicktime. Apple isn't going to make Final Cut Pro 5 Tiger only out of greed or spite. It's because the new OS has so many architectural changes it'd take them another year of programming just to come close to the featureset in Panther.
 

notjustjay

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Pro vs Express

So now that Final Cut Express has the same real time rendering engine, LiveType, and Soundtrack, what is the benefit of upgrading from Express to Pro? What sets them apart?

Just wondering because I can upgrade from FCE 1 to FCE HD for $120, or I could save up and buy the academic version of the production suite for $679 Cdn. That contains FCP, Motion and DVD Studio Pro, though I don't know how much I'd actually use the latter two.
 

nuckinfutz

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notjustjay said:
So now that Final Cut Express has the same real time rendering engine, LiveType, and Soundtrack, what is the benefit of upgrading from Express to Pro? What sets them apart?

Just wondering because I can upgrade from FCE 1 to FCE HD for $120, or I could save up and buy the academic version of the production suite for $679 Cdn. That contains FCP, Motion and DVD Studio Pro, though I don't know how much I'd actually use the latter two.
I don't think FCE support batch capture and logging tapes, FCE doesn't keyframe as good as FCP and still has limited codec support. There are a lot of little features that are indispensable to a Pro that are in FCP. Clearly the two products have come a little close...until April ;)
 

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golfstud said:
FCP 5 will rock. But Quicktime 7 is the engine that runs it all! The new CODEC is going to just be a KILLER. Look for FCP and AUTOMATOR in TIGER to work together to increase workflow. Imagine setting up an AUTOMATOR task to export your sequence to three, five, seven different sizes and if needed CODECS...you come back and you have all the versions of your masterpiece ready to go to broadcast, web, cd, etc. TIME to PONY up for a new G5 DUALIE 3.0!
It's my understanding that compressor does this but I think only for mpeg codecs.
 

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new iBooks too?

would it be reasonable to assume that Apple will also release new iBooks to take advantage of the new OS features such as core image? And what of the mac mini?
 

dguisinger

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Doh, I just got the full blown studio package today. And I have a machine that Motion won't work on, I hope I'm covered by their EoL upgrade policies, but probably not.
 

LimeLite

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SurfAddict said:
o wait panther has only been out a year well thats nice of them.
Actually, at this point Panther has been out for about a year and 4 months. Even if Tiger came out in April, that'd be a year and 6 months, 50% longer than a year. If other predictions are correct and it's not until June 30th, that's more than a year and 8 months.
 

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notjustjay said:
So now that Final Cut Express has the same real time rendering engine, LiveType, and Soundtrack, what is the benefit of upgrading from Express to Pro? What sets them apart?

Just wondering because I can upgrade from FCE 1 to FCE HD for $120, or I could save up and buy the academic version of the production suite for $679 Cdn. That contains FCP, Motion and DVD Studio Pro, though I don't know how much I'd actually use the latter two.
FCE can only keyfram Motion FX, FCP can keyframe everything
doesnt have 3-way color-correction
can only have 32 Undo's (FCP can have 99)
cannot do Offline RT DV editing
no Batch functions (Batch Export, Batch Logging+Capturing)
no Panasonic 24p Support
Compressor not included

those are the major differences between the 2. For the most part, the stuff thats missing doesnt really matter for the average consumer looking to use something else other than iMovie. For me, I cannot live without most of the stuff thats taken out.

Cant wait for the next version of FCP! i'll start saving my pennies now.... :p
 

Pismo

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If FCP 5 is coming out soon, I'm sure Motion 2 and DVD Studio Pro 4 will soon follow to take advantage of the new Tiger features. I'm sure Shake will have a huge upgrade too.
 

LimeLite

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notjustjay said:
So now that Final Cut Express has the same real time rendering engine, LiveType, and Soundtrack, what is the benefit of upgrading from Express to Pro? What sets them apart?

Just wondering because I can upgrade from FCE 1 to FCE HD for $120, or I could save up and buy the academic version of the production suite for $679 Cdn. That contains FCP, Motion and DVD Studio Pro, though I don't know how much I'd actually use the latter two.
http://www.apple.com/finalcut/