maya said:
I agree alot with you. FCP 5, Motion 1.5 or 2.0, I think 2.0, shake 4.0, and even maybe DVD studio 3.5 or something, with TIGER later at WWDC or After. . .
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I agree alot with you. FCP 5, Motion 1.5 or 2.0, I think 2.0, shake 4.0, and even maybe DVD studio 3.5 or something, with TIGER later at WWDC or After. . .
zanuzan said:
What type of machine are you using with shake, and what version of shake are you using?
timster said:
Well, you asked not to be (quoted), but I seriously doubt that QuickTime 7 will be available (in any form) for Mac OS 9. For Windows I'd think that at least the playback components will be available for XP and probably 2000, but nothing else on the earlier versions of Windows. I suspect that the full-blown QuickTime 7 (authoring and playback) will initially be available only under Tiger/10.4. The only QT7 component that may see back-porting to earlier versions of Windows and the Mac OS will probably be the H.264 playback codec.
Gregory said:
I am on a Dual 2.5 with 4 gigs of RAM using Shake 3.5.
Shake in Linux is much faster. That is why many of the big houses that use Shake remain in a Linux environment. I really would like to see Shake optimized for the G5 and Tiger.
Once you get used to speed (Nuke in Linux smokes) it is hard to go back.
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zanuzan said:
Your right shake is faster in Linux and the Windows version at that matter, I hope Apple will optimize shake for the MAC G5 it surely needs it. Also there are more choice of Pro Graphic Cards available, which are not avail. for MAC. As for using Nuke, if you like it use it. Different people like different tools. Sometimes its not about speed, but being creative. Sometimes speed, makes one even slower, because you try more things, that is not needed. Like the saying goes - Less is More . . .
I have Shake 3.0 with a Dual 2GHZ G5 and 8GB Ram. with a ATI 9800 256mb, Shake is not that bad, but could use a speed bump, maybe apple is working on this and 3rd party Pro Graphic Cards, would speed things up too. . . Motion is Fast but not a Pro Comp., it needs major upgrade, but what do you expect for $299. I will wait and see if I will upgrade to shake 4 or whatever is out. . .
MXF support?
In this country at least, XDCAM is the future of SD (and eventually HD) video for broadcast Avid's promised MXF support soon and it's top of my list for FCP. If it's not in FCP5, Avid will win hands down in this market. Perhaps someone can ease my concerns here... it wasn't mentioned.
In this country at least, XDCAM is the future of SD (and eventually HD) video for broadcast Avid's promised MXF support soon and it's top of my list for FCP. If it's not in FCP5, Avid will win hands down in this market. Perhaps someone can ease my concerns here... it wasn't mentioned.
Check this one, maybe Shake 4 will have the Core Image engine bulit in, Now that would be nice, think of the speed boost in that. Awesome !!! Let's See, I Hope. . . But maybe just a dream ?
fearless said:
Good Question, Maybe it will be supported, but its hard to tell with apple, I do see Sony's IMX codec, with HDV as well, maybe MXF I don't see why not.
Gregory said:
I freelance so I am constantly jumping from one application to the other since each house has a different toolset. I am all Mac at home so Nuke is out of the question.
I work almost entirely at film resolutions so speed is important. When I have to sit for minutes for a redraw of one frame (that is optimized for quick redraw--proxies, crops and setDOD's) that is a waste. Of course this frame has 50 layers of CG, massive defocuses, keys etc.
Shake is supposed to be a pro app. So why should it be so slow on its own host platform.(Still) (also Apple quit showing LOTR stuff. That was done on Shake in Linux)
cheers
zanuzan said:
Have you tried the same project in Linux and if so whats the speed difference in time vs. Shake in MAC OSX what about machine hardware vs. G5 etc. (ex. 1 minute 16 seconds per frame redraw)
Shakes host platform was Linux and there was a windows port before apple bought shake from Nothing Real.
Apple code-named the new Production Suite "Happy Meal". I got a little laugh at that one. 😀
Anyhow that distributed rendering feature would definitly be major plus for FCP 5, especially for us users that have that extra Mac laying around. I also sure this will be a major plus for the education market and businesses where they have a group of Macs and FCP.
Anyhow that distributed rendering feature would definitly be major plus for FCP 5, especially for us users that have that extra Mac laying around. I also sure this will be a major plus for the education market and businesses where they have a group of Macs and FCP.
If you need speed then you need Discret. . . SGI , etc. . . for workflow, then render out to a PC Render Fram. . . But who can afford those Prices $$$ Just the Big Studios, Right!!!
I think you missed the point, we are talking about the interface speed and workflow, wait for redraws, refreshes and playback speed with other effects and filters. . . I know about the quality of shake, we are not talking about that. . .Lacero said:
Gregory said:
Shake is generally 2 to 3 times faster in Linux than on the Mac OS. Nuke is generally (in the GUI) considerably faster.
This is not a comparison I did recently but in talking to other Shake users I think it still holds true.
Also just to be annoying it really is the artist not the tool. A hammer does not build a house. So Shake is a quality program but in the wrong hands it can make crap too.
fearless said:
This Might answer some questions to MXF support in FCP -
What has XML to do with MXF?
The eXtensible Markup Language (XML) has been identified as a useful tool to handle metadata and MXF data definitions. The Sony MXF SDK includes an MXF dictionary in XML, where all metadata items and data sets and packages are defined. Furthermore, all metadata input and output is handled utilizing XML techniques. Other organizations are known to use XML for similar purposes and it is likely that a standardized XML representation, a dictionary, will evolve from that process.
Hope this Helps. . .
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so is anybody going to tell me how to get a job doing film editing/compositing?
i taught myself photoshop/illustrator/indesign and pretty much mastered the first. i do high end digital retouching for ad agencies. i would love to get ahold of shake and FC pro, learn the hard production techniques and apply for a position but is that even possible in the industry or do they demand a more traditional approach to education.
i taught myself photoshop/illustrator/indesign and pretty much mastered the first. i do high end digital retouching for ad agencies. i would love to get ahold of shake and FC pro, learn the hard production techniques and apply for a position but is that even possible in the industry or do they demand a more traditional approach to education.
Maybe you should find out, just to see how true it is. Maybe different people have different results with different projects. I would like to know myself, just to know. Thanks !!zanuzan said:
beatle888 said:
Good Luck with that One. Get to know alot of people in the field. Then you better be able to back your claim and do it creative and quickly . . . also depends on the programs you know how to use. . . its a big plus +++
You can even try to download the trial version of Motion to get a beginners start in Comps. Try using your PS files and animate be creative and have fun. . .
ENJOY !!!
ENJOY !!!