Final Cut Pro 6, Final Cut Extreme Details? Displays (again)?

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Rocketman Is A StandUp Comedian

As for intel 32 bit whiners, let's not forget you got much higher speed, multi-app capacity, virtualization, and market share. It was in hindsight a wonderful decision.

ROTFLMAO 😱 😛 😀 🙄 😉 🙂 😕

 

[3282872]

All of Apple's laptops used 32 bit processors at the time of the Intel switch over. Those systems lost nothing since they never had 64b capable CPUs to begin with. The only system that lost 64b capability was the iMac and the iMac only had a 64b CPU for a relatively short amount of time.

I love the Steve Ballmer videos. You guys ever see this on youtube:

"The True History of Microsoft"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bExK98Xf0mQ

It's hilarious! 😀 😛

 

[Random Ping]

It would cost less than the food budget for most Hollywood blockbusters

But it would be really hard to duplicate the bad acting and script. 😉

 

[JoeG4]

I have a 22" and can hardly wait to get that new screen 😱
*drools at thought*

 

[Rocketman]

ROTFLMAO 😱 😛 😀 🙄 😉 🙂 😕

I say I have "dry humor" others say I am "humor impaired". In any case I have on rare occasions caused some to experience hard-core laughter by simply being willing to state the obvious.

As for your "hopes" MM on displays and PortaMacs (see I didn't say either Powerbook or ATN) I agree with you on the hopes. I do say this, if you get anything like your wish on a MBP 17 it will be months after Santa Rosa has already been shipping in an iMac. The lead time for soldered chip motherboards do indeed seem quite long.

The rumor points to the "external PCIe" link which could go to any of several external PCI boxes so "numerous" cards could be supported or a single complex cardset at "high bandwidth", which seems to be the case here.

The whole problem with the RED camera at maximum framerate and format size is bandwidth. The primary solution is capture to RED ramdisc, which as I understand it will capture some 30 minutes of video. If that is the case the FCE system becomes a store-forward content capture and edit station and has no real-time requirements to speak of.

Real-time applications are what will be interesting to see what is actually supported, and will they need an entire computer for EACH camera?

It will still be FAR cheaper than the current options.

Rocketman

 

[guzhogi]

No thanks. I don't need to break my neck looking around a screen that large 🙂

Now a 144 DPI or better yet 216 DPI display in a 30" form factor would be great.

Does anyone know what the highest DPI there is? I've heard the iPhone's screen is 160 DPI, older monitors are 72. What's the highest?

 

[Analog Kid]

Wait a second... I just skimmed over this the first time I looked at it-- ThinkSecret is writing for PCMagazine?!?

When did that happen?

 

[siurpeeman]

I would just love to replace my 3 year old 20" studio display with a current new 23" with a price drop, maybe around $699 and I would be all over it.🙂

if you buy refurb, you can get a current 23" cinema display for $749. it's quite the deal if you ask me.

 

[mark_sloan]

Mac Displays w/TV features?

With Apple TV my biggest question is whether Apple will move its Display lineup to something like Dell's and make them more like TV monitors with multiple inputs.

 

[enjoyapple]

just can't wait for those displays update.. it's been months since i've been waiting for any good sign of release. bank account is full now, ready to shrink back to a 10 euros left on, after i offer myself a dream: the biggest and nicest apple screen for my MPB C2D. please hurry. i would love isights regarding the fact that it would be a great addition for those highly priced views on the internet world.
bring it on!

 

[aloofman]

As far as I know that RED camera is still vaporware.
am i wrong on that?

You're not wrong. AFAIK, they have never demonstrated a working prototype to the public. They've had a presence at some tradeshows (like NAB '06), but there was no camera there. Doesn't mean there won't be one, but since no one has seen it work, it's weird for a third party to already claim they will support it.

 

[Links]

Major Update from Red Founder Jim Jannard

Latest info and delivery of first RED cams.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=746

 

[Much Ado]

64-bit for FC-X?

My iMac G5 is ready! Huzzah!

/Insert sarcasm
MA.

 

[Rod Rod]

I bet FCS2/FCP 6 will finally have DVCPROHD support.

DVCProHD is already supported since 5.1.2. We're up to 5.1.4 now. 🙄

DVCProHD support came in FCP 4.5, back in April 2004. This was relevant for Varicam and 1200A users. It worked fine on PowerBook G4s.

Then again, I wouldn't be completely surprised is apple just ****s over people with Sony hardware.

People who bought that AVCHD Sony hardware ****ed themselves over.

Not if you are using the Panasonic P2 cards. DVCPROHD files in P2 cards are all .mfx files that are not natively supported by FCP 5.X.X yet.

Then I suppose you were talking about P2 support that goes above and beyond what's already there. Does cloning P2 cards in Disk Utility help you at all?

The rumor points to the "external PCIe" link which could go to any of several external PCI boxes so "numerous" cards could be supported or a single complex cardset at "high bandwidth", which seems to be the case here.

That's the point of ExpressCard/34 and 54, right? Are you talking about something like this?

 

[flyinmac]

64-bit for FC-X?

My iMac G5 is ready! Huzzah!

/Insert sarcasm
MA.

Yes, am I the only one who finds it funny that many iMac users will not be able to use the latest program because their computer neither new enough or old enough 😕

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Nice!!

Can't afford it but they are really competing with Avid with Final Cut Extreme. This rumor is like 1 year old let's hope it comes out this year.

If you read the comments on the blogs of the pros of the film industry then nobody believes there this rumor.

Anyway - its really time for new displays at better price points.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Can you imagine what Apple Final Cut Extreme plus a Red camera could do for the indie film market?

Not as much as you think it will. The biggest hurdle isn't acquisition it's distribution. Spike Lee can shoot a movie on MiniDV and get it into theaters. Joe Schmo can shoot on 35mm and the negative can just sit in his basement and get moldy. I think Red has the potential to change the cost of business, but I don't think it's going to drastically change how the business as a whole operates.

I mean, pretty much anyone can go to the local store and buy the "tools" to be a writer or artist (pen & paper), but that doesn't mean we can all get paid to write for a magazine or do animation for Disney.

The whole problem with the RED camera at maximum framerate and format size is bandwidth. The primary solution is capture to RED ramdisc, which as I understand it will capture some 30 minutes of video. If that is the case the FCE system becomes a store-forward content capture and edit station and has no real-time requirements to speak of.

AFAIK the REDRAM is only one of the on-board storage options. REDRAID (an on-board RAID) is another.

You're not wrong. AFAIK, they have never demonstrated a working prototype to the public. They've had a presence at some tradeshows (like NAB '06), but there was no camera there. Doesn't mean there won't be one, but since no one has seen it work, it's weird for a third party to already claim they will support it.

Footage has been shown to the public, and some people have gotten private hands on time w/the prototypes.

The big thing w/Red to help w/NLE support/workflow is the Redcine software which will take what you've shot and transcode it into pretty much any standard format. This allows you to offline in any format you want (even MiniDV) and then take your finished cut back to Redcine for the online.


Lethal

 

[tk421]

DVCProHD support came in FCP 4.5, back in April 2004.
...
Then I suppose you were talking about P2 support that goes above and beyond what's already there. Does cloning P2 cards in Disk Utility help you at all?

For the record, I edited DVC Pro footage in FCP a year or so ago. I also have a coworker that is currently editing P2 media in FCP. He elected to do so on FCP instead of Avid because he prefers FCP's P2 support.

Some of the complaints clearly come from people that haven't used FCP enough. I've found that with many Avid users. They say that something isn't in FCP that actually has been there for some time. Granted, there are some legitimate complaints, but the majority that I hear are just based on inaccurate or incomplete information.

 

[milo]

I remember last Summer when all the Core 2 Duo waiters were being poo pooed by the Core Duo earliest adopters 'cause 64-bit wouldn't matter for years ahead. Well so much for that theory. See ya. 😉

I'd be shocked if 6 didn't run on core duo machines (we all know how ridiculously inaccurate TS is). And it's not like Extreme is going to run well on any laptop (especially for uncompressed at high resolutions), core OR core 2. Even if it runs, your laptop screen isn't high enough resolution to even show that resolution anyway, and it probably runs best with more ram than any of the laptops can handle. It still seems like a non-issue to me.

 

[aloofman]

Footage has been shown to the public, and some people have gotten private hands on time w/the prototypes.

The big thing w/Red to help w/NLE support/workflow is the Redcine software which will take what you've shot and transcode it into pretty much any standard format. This allows you to offline in any format you want (even MiniDV) and then take your finished cut back to Redcine for the online.


Lethal

Sounds good. But again, there's no camera yet. Until they show a working one to everyone, it's just another promise from the Red people.

 

[Rocketman]

That's the point of ExpressCard/34 and 54, right? Are you talking about something like this?

The rumors I have heard, directly in one report, and indirectly in the report in this thread, the "main card" in the MacPro has plugs. It has the SDI plugs but also has a PCI plug so the "daughter cards" can be supported on an external box but be on the PCI bus.

Something along this line:

http://www.amplicon.co.uk/dr-prod3.cfm/subsecid/10058/secid/5/groupId/10771.htm

Rocketman

 

[Rocketman]

Sounds good. But again, there's no camera yet. Until they show a working one to everyone, it's just another promise from the Red people.

Yes it is still Vaproware. But even you have to admit, it is really COOL vaporware, and the progress being made is exceptionally transparant and public. They even FINALLY promised a date for deliveries and upgrades. Something they have not officially missed even once yet.

Did I mention a game-changing camera for about 1/10 the going cost? I'll take that vaporware with a 2 month estimated first article delivery time.

Rocketman

 

[Rod Rod]

The rumors I have heard, directly in one report, and indirectly in the report in this thread, the "main card" in the MacPro has plugs. It has the SDI plugs but also has a PCI plug so the "daughter cards" can be supported on an external box but be on the PCI bus.

Something along this line:

http://www.amplicon.co.uk/dr-prod3.cfm/subsecid/10058/secid/5/groupId/10771.htm

Got it, so the answer was "yes" because that's what I linked to. Just click the left column and you'll see bigger boxes of PCI slots. Same thing, different site, only the link I provided is from the manufacturer and yours is from a reseller.

 

[Alpinism]

For the record, I edited DVC Pro footage in FCP a year or so ago.

With the current FCP 5.x.x, when you import .mxf files into your HD, FCP will have to convert .mxf to Quicktime. This defeats the purpose of tapeless P2 workflow. Currently FCP 5.X.X does not support native .mxf files.

DVCPRO HD is 100mbps, so u do the math for time needed to convert say a 60 minute .mxf to QT just so you can edit it with FCP.

As of recently, Avid, Liquid and EDIUS support .mxf natively and Premiere Pro with AXIO also supports .mxf natively. There is no reason why Apple should not support .mxf natively.

 

[AidenShaw]

My MacBook Pro is a core-duo, hence it is a 32 bit chip. I really hope Apple doesn't leave all us 32 bitters in the dust.

Didn't you see all of the "wait for Merom" threads here?

You'll see more "64-bit only" features coming along, time to put the 32-bit system on eBay!